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Suggestions Time to update, Latex or Solvent?

Discussion in 'Digital Printing' started by Farmboy, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    Its a water-based ink, From what I've seen its Latex on steroids with no heat and much much better gamut. We are trying to get a live demo to evaluate dumping our 570s
     
  2. Yeahgor

    Yeahgor Born to be The Designer.

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    Sounds nice. However you did the Car Wrap on it? How it works with starching under Lamination? And do you think the printing speed on Hawk possible to compare with HP570?
     
  3. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    Print speed on paper are similar to Latex for 10 pass equivalent, The ink has better stretchability than latex from the samples I have but we have yet to wrap anything with it which is why we want to do a live demo.
     
  4. TomK

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    The Stratojet dude ignored my reply about price and serviceability, let me know how your samples turn out.
     
  5. balstestrat

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    ...Nevermind I derped and misunderstood you there for a second...
     
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  6. ikarasu

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    Every machine is different. We had a seiko h274s... It was a beast and fast. Every day we had to do maintenance though... It involved using a roller and cleaning the cap tops daily. It took maybe 10 minutes... However the roller was $1 each... The solvent $80 a bottle, and that was just the daily! Every 2 weeks we had to do a head soak with a special sheet. Each sheet was $10... And you had to soak it.in fluid that was again $80 a bottle. We calculated it was roughly $70 a month in materials, let alone time in cleaning.

    So going from that to a latex... That alone was one of the biggest advantages to us. Ontop of having 6 heads fail at once, and them wanting $30,000 to replace them... It just made sense to buy a latex for cheaper than it'd cost to repair the seiko.


    We've spent maybe 2 grand on heads over the 2 years we had our printer. So long as it continues this way for 28 more years.. We're ahead!

    I'd never buy another seiko. They made me hate solvents. But I've heard great things about Epson, and if likely buy an Epson over an hp if I had to redo it all over again.
     
  7. Jun Lanon

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    it use a synthetic water based ink. It's not a solvent based like eco solvent or latex. Pigments stay brighter, dry faster and remain flexible.
     
  8. TomK

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    How outdoor durable is this ink set without lamination?
     
  9. balstestrat

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    By what logic is latex solvent based when it contains 60-80% water???
     
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  10. Christian @ 2CT Media

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    Latex Inks have solvents and other chemicals in them and they are not 100% water and pigment.
     
  11. balstestrat

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    Yes small amounts but that doesn't make it solvent based. It uses the water as the carrier for the pigment thus making it water based ink.
     
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  12. Boudica

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    I thought the name Latex implied an oil base. I don't have a latex printer - I know nothing about them, other than they get really hot. - so this thread is fascinating :)
     
  13. SignMeUpGraphics

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    Technically water is a solvent... :p
     
  14. signage

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    And an abrasive.........:D
     
  15. balstestrat

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    Well **** I guess you got me there.
    I need to start calling the Stratojet ink "Synthetic solvent based ink" now then.
     
  16. P Wagner

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    All inks offered for sale are required to make available an MDS (used to be called MSDS) document which discloses the ingredients and percentage volume (within ranges) of the ink.

    These documents are supposed to follow a standardized format, and also should disclose hazardous components and remediation steps in case of contact. See screen grab for HP Latex R-Series cyan ink. Also, with HP, the term 'Latex' does not refer to natural latex rubber, but is actually Synthetic Resin Co-Polymer.

    In all cases, the 'base' of any ink is the carrier of the solid components, and is almost always > 50 percent of the ink. In the case of all HP Latex inks, water is the base/ carrier fluid - this is disclosed in the MDS.
     

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