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Transferring Stickers from one release paper to another

Discussion in 'General Signmaking Topics' started by jain1980, Feb 19, 2014.

  1. jain1980

    jain1980 Member

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    We are manufacturing stickers using vinyls from a certain brand and would like to transfer them (after plotting and weeding) to another release paper that is required by our client.

    What is the best and most cost effective method to do this for around thousand stickers a day?
     
  2. SIGNTIME

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    Use vinyl that comes with the specified backing paper, if that is not an option then mask as much as you can handle and transfer to required backing by hand or with your laminator, if they are not to be masked then you may want to laminate your vinyl to the required backing paper before you begin printing. Its hard to give you an answer without more info like the material your using, the backing paper specified, the equipment you use and the size of the decals.
     
  3. klingsdesigns

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    So let me get this right. Your taking a different material and putting it on a different backing so the customer thinks they are getting something they are not?
     
  4. fresh

    fresh Very Active Member

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    Why not just use the material the customer ordered? You are admitting that you plan on shafting your customer!
     
  5. Z SIGNS

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    sounds nefarious
     
  6. strypguy

    strypguy Active Member

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    It's not cost effective since you will have to buy the other brand to get the release paper. John
     
  7. TammieH

    TammieH Very Active Member

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    Plus the extra labor involved

    You also risk contamination when transferring from one release paper to another.
     
  8. chartle

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    I'm confused can you buy a certain release paper without the vinyl? I thought the release paper and the vinyl are designed to work together.

    Also every time I have tried to restick vinyl back on to the release paper even the one that came with the vinyl its never the same as from the factory.
     
  9. Gino

    Gino Major Contributor

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    You have lotsa little kids out of work over there. Have them do it piece by piece and pay them a dollar a day. With their little fingers and fast pace pf learning you'll get up to a 1,000 stickers a day in no time...... or just hire more kids and pay them all less. Do whatever it takes to get the job out the door for less than anyone else could fathom and you'll keep your company's status quo in tack.
     
  10. TammieH

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    It will stick the same over time, but I guess that's not the answer you want LOL
     
  11. TammieH

    TammieH Very Active Member

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    LOL I was just thinking, I have some slightly used name brand release paper, maybe someone might want to purchase some? Cheap!!!
     
  12. BigfishDM

    BigfishDM Merchant Member

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    That's kinda unethical don't you think?
     
  13. player

    player Major Contributor

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    Is that standard business ethics/practice in your area?
     
  14. signcrafters london

    signcrafters london Very Active Member

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    I thought you could get counterfeit anything in Hong Kong. I'm disappointed the OP isn't industrious enough to make (or at least buy) fake 3M.
     
  15. GAC05

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    Maybe it is as innocent as needing to go from a paper backer to a clear one.
    People always think the worst (and are usually right)......

    wayne k
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  16. Snydo

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    In his area, YES.
     
  17. jain1980

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    Can't believe how most of you here have over reacted to a simple question and the % of people who want to jump to conclusions. Anyways I am glad that some of you genuinely helped in with their suggestions. Thanks a ton.

    We are being supplied black carbon fiber vinyl rolls with an OEM plain liner (see attachment) from a certain make in china by our client which he wants to get it on a branded liner with brand name on it instead of being plain. He is getting it packaged for retail sale under his own brand and wants even the stickers to be with his brand on the liner.

    Might be his vinyl supplier wants a high MOQ to get the brand name on it or may be for some other technical reason would have been unable to include the brand altogether. Wanted my question to be very simple. So didn't include all the details. Didn't know I had to explain my business ethics behind it.

    We are using an FC7000 to half-cut the stickers. The stickers are stiff enough to be transferred without getting garbled.

    We were just looking for a work around to get this job done cost effectively and with minimum labor. Will be glad if someone here genuinely has some suggestions that might help someone being from the same industry. I thought that's how it worked here in forums.
     

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  18. Bly

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    It was a close call but I think this is the most unpleasant post of the day.
     
  19. GAC05

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    Could you run the rolls backer side up through the printer to print the logo then load them into the plotter?
    If you can't do it in house you might be able to find someone with a water based printer that could do it.
    If the decals are small enough you could gang them into sheets small enough to run through a desktop printer.
    Seems like hand transferring a 1000 decals a day to a new backer would be pretty labor intensive.

    wayne k
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  20. jain1980

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    The release paper with the logo is being supplied by the client himself. We are not printing it. Each job would be 24" width (thats the roll width) and around 7" height. The stickers come off quite easily from their original liner. Also there is no issue of dust since our facility is dust free. Is there any way I can use a transfer sheet and get this done job by job? A low tack one may be.
     
  21. GAC05

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    I think your best bet would be to exchange the backers before you cut the graphics.
    Set up your laminator with the branded liner in place of the laminate.
    The rollers would set the new liner better than anything you could do by hand.
    Crank a roll through and then plot out the graphics.

    If you have to cut first and then try to change out the liner you might try rigging up something similar to this:
    http://www.speedpress.com/products/2/44
    Get low tack clear transfer tape and stretch it out on some aluminum extrusion with a couple of hinges to hold it onto the table.
    If you could get the transfer liner low-tack enough to let the decals go onto the new backer it may work.
    When we used to set a lot of multi colored/layered vinyl up we didn't want too much grab from our mask paper we would condition it by rubbing it down with a cloth so that it was not too sticky.
    You need enough grip to get the old liner off but not too much to keep the decals from releasing onto the branded liner.
    If you wanted to go high-tech maybe a really strong vacuum table......

    wayne k
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