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US Tariffs, Sigh!

ikarasu

Active Member
yea.
first you didn't read any of the articles I DID post.
Then you told me canada didn't have a fentanyl problem with our border. literally the white house press secretary was on tv stating that was the exact reason they were discussing reciprocal tariffs with Canada. You can claim that i'm parroting trump, but I'm telling you what the press secretary said.

then you make a joke about rice when I'm clearly talking about the exhorbitant tariff that japan has placed on rice (700%). my comment never had anything to do with rice and had to do with the imbalance of tariffs that have been placed on america. i used the rice example and you got nuts in 2 or 3 posts about rice.

then you tell me i'm wrong about reciprocal because you don't know the difference between reciprocal and retalitory. thats ok. most liberals (and people who hate trump) think he's retalitory.
and double down by telling me "bbc dummied it down for you"

but somehow you think *I'M* the wall.
Again... I ask you to post proof, link me 1 time I didn't read any article you posted, or ignored what you had to say.

You mentioned how musk and trump said the astronauts were stranded - I linked you to a video, and mentioned how not once.. but twice now the astronauts themselves said they werent stranded. Shall we believe Trump and his press secretary who are constantly lying... or the people themselves?

You mention fentanyl being a problem... Yeah his press secretary said that. She was parroting trump - I linked showing you how much was seized from Canada... Am I supposed to think it's a problem when .5% of US fentanyl is from canada? in 1 year... 43 lbs from Canada, 21 THOUSAND pounds from mexico. Your own DEA/DOD Released a list of countries tht drugs are coming from and are a threat... Mexico was on it, guess who wasn't? Canada.... So am I to believe the people making the threat assesments, the hard facts of how much is coming in... Or something trump has said? He lies, lies, lies... and when caught in a lie, you guys defend him and say "its the art of the deal" he makes shit up to get better deals... well, guess what he's doing here?


The rice - I literally said I didnt even know USA made that much rice... I spent time googling and researching... did I say you lied? did I say there wasnt a 700% tarrif? How did I go nuts? I literally said I was going down to USA and would try some rice because I was curious and didnt realize they made it... I wasnt even talking to you.


And how do I not know the difference between reciprocal and retalitory?! You mentioned how all the tarrifs were applied...and I said you were wrong. I linked you the the official white houses formula on how they applied them... All of these tarrifs had ZERO to do with any tarrifs placed on USA.... Trump took the imbalance and used that as a calculation and then called them reciprocal tarrifs. I beg you... go read the formula, go do the calculations... Just because him and his press secretary keep calling it reciprocal tarrifs, doesnt mean thats what they are... even republican economosts examined them and said these are not reciprocal tarrifs... And the best part is you can goto the whitehouse.gov website, watch his briefing and look at his formula and you can see that yourself. Spend the 5 minutes and do your own research instead of listen to a guy who lies out his ass and doesnt understand what a reciprocal tarrif is... then maybe it'll open your eyes.

You gotta grow up... I havent attacked you once, and you've felt like it's all I've done. You've literally said negative things directly at me... and I only pointed it out when you accused me of insulting you. You call me a bad guy because someone else said maggat and I didn't come out to defend you... You're grasping at straws. Just because someone doesn't agree with your position, and posts opposing facts... doesn't mean I didn't read what you link, doesn't mean I'm out to get you.... doesn't mean I'm calling, or even thinking you're stupid for thinking the way you do..... it's all just a conversation, you post your beliefs and back them up, I do the same... So stop trying to be a victim and say I'm insulting you. The only time I have ever insulted you, is by saying it's like talking to a wall... And I do feel that way, because I've asked you to do the bare minumum about 20 times...and I will do it again.... go find a post where I've said or did anything you're accusing me off and link it here. But you wont... because It's all made up. Maybe you were heated in the moment and actually felt those things, Maybe you just assumed and didn't bother to ask to clarify... But I think it'd do you some good to go read the posts you're accusing me of being "mean" to you about.


Also, I went back and checked, because I was going to apologize for miswording something. My post said "BBC Dummied it down" where is the "For you?" Again... you're taking my words and applying it to yourself and taking it personally... I didnt edit the post, you can go back and read it and see. I couldn't understand the formula until it was explained, So yes... they dummied it down so anyone could understand it. If I'm calling you dumb... I guess I'm calling myself dumb too. Another time you see a personal attack when there isn't one.... If you're going to quote me... quote me accurate.
 

ikarasu

Active Member
Gen Alpha says yes.

Gen alpha is 2010+... I sure hope she's over 15 years old :roflmao:

I don't want to generalize again... but I thought the democrats were the super sensitive ones, and thats where the term snowflake came from? One of my favorite songs... Tom macdonald Snowflake (He's hardcore republican, I agree with lots of his stuff, but disagree with lots too... but despite what some people say, I'm not anti republican :banghead:



And before I get accused of more stuff... I'm not calling anyone a snowflake, and this post isn't directed at anyone... It's about gen alpha, and how (almost) everyone these days are too sensitive.
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
It looks like the end result to all of this is the democrats think trump is a liar and the republicans believe what trump says. It's clear we are all watching different sources for news media.

I have questions for all the democrats: what has trump lied about?
AND why did you all allow the previous administrations to lie and get away with it?




and no, I'm not taking anything for "gospel"...
 

BigNate

New Member
It looks like the end result to all of this is the democrats think trump is a liar and the republicans believe what trump says. It's clear we are all watching different sources for news media.

I have questions for all the democrats: what has trump lied about?
AND why did you all allow the previous administrations to lie and get away with it?




and no, I'm not taking anything for "gospel"...
Well, I can agree to disagree....

I will give Trump credit for receiving an historic ruling - he actually got a Supreme Court vote of 9-0... that is an amazing feat!
 

ikarasu

Active Member
It looks like the end result to all of this is the democrats think trump is a liar and the republicans believe what trump says. It's clear we are all watching different sources for news media.

I have questions for all the democrats: what has trump lied about?
AND why did you all allow the previous administrations to lie and get away with it?




and no, I'm not taking anything for "gospel"...
If I spend 30 minutes tonight and source everything, are you going to read it with an open mind... Or say that's not what you've heard?

Astronauts being trapped in space.... Cutting grocery bills the day he's in office (they've gone way up, not just eggs). He's declaring a national emergency so he can do tarrifs.... Nothing about it is an emergency, his own lawmakers even said so.

He deported a non criminal, who's here legally.... Then said the federal courts have no jurisdiction to tell them to bring the guy back.... Only the supreme Court can do that... They ruled 100% in favor that he has to... And hes ignoring it and pretty much saying "if he breaks out of prison and presents himself to immigration well let him back".. .so he's ignoring Scotus,.even after saying he wouldn't because he thought they'd agree with him.


There's so many lies, most small,.but some big. So many things that are just stupid... He was just on tv bragging about how the stock market has had its biggest jump since the history of the stock market.... He neglected to say he's the reason it had the biggest drive, and it's still far, far below when he took office.... You can't cause a calamity, fix it, half assed, and then take credit for it.

Dont trust news sources. Don't trust press conferences. Use them as a guideline... Washington Post has a list of like 30,000 lies Trump's told since his first term.... Pick one that effects you, one that's not something stupid like he lied about Clinton or Biden, something that's important to you... Then do some research. 90% of stuff Trump's accused of lying about is cut and dry, and hes on the news saying it in the open.... So it's pretty easy to fact check and get your own opinion on It, instead of feeling the way the news tells you to.... All news is biased, heck... All textbooks can be biased too, if something feels wrong.... Never take anything for granted and do your own research
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
He deported a non criminal, who's here legally.... Then said the federal courts have no jurisdiction to tell them to bring the guy back.... Only the supreme Court can do that... They ruled 100% in favor that he has to... And hes ignoring it and pretty much saying "if he breaks out of prison and presents himself to immigration well let him back".. .so he's ignoring Scotus,.even after saying he wouldn't because he thought they'd agree with him.
This is the problem. SCOTUS ruled in favor of trump. Trump, Bondi, Bukele, Vance, Stephen Miller were ALL on the news on Monday stating that SCOTUS ruled 9-0 in trumps favor. No judicial court can infringe on international law. bukele stated he is not going to go get a terrorist and smuggle him into the US. (those were his words, not mine).
 

BigNate

New Member
This is the problem. SCOTUS ruled in favor of trump. Trump, Bondi, Bukele, Vance, Stephen Miller were ALL on the news on Monday stating that SCOTUS ruled 9-0 in trumps favor. No judicial court can infringe on international law. bukele stated he is not going to go get a terrorist and smuggle him into the US. (those were his words, not mine).
Please go and read the entire ruling -- the 9-0 was that the deported individual was to be returned to face due process. The ONLY aspect of the lower courts ruling that was asked to be changed was the word "effectuate" .. within hours of the SCOTUS ruling, the lower court issued a new order that matched exactly with the direction from SCOTUS --- SCOTUS even ordered the lower courts to watch this administration closely to make sure they actually follow the rulling.

Again, please go read the actual ruling (it is only a few pages....) things should make more sense after you read the actual source. (btw, it looks like Trump may have lied when he initially said he would follow the 9-0 running, but then his actions appear to have defied the ruling.)
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
Please go and read the entire ruling -- the 9-0 was that the deported individual was to be returned to face due process. The ONLY aspect of the lower courts ruling that was asked to be changed was the word "effectuate" .. within hours of the SCOTUS ruling, the lower court issued a new order that matched exactly with the direction from SCOTUS --- SCOTUS even ordered the lower courts to watch this administration closely to make sure they actually follow the rulling.

Again, please go read the actual ruling (it is only a few pages....) things should make more sense after you read the actual source. (btw, it looks like Trump may have lied when he initially said he would follow the 9-0 running, but then his actions appear to have defied the ruling.)
Trump didn't make that claim. Stephen Miller did. I went and read it. You're right. It doesn't say what I saw on the news. We shall see what happens.
 

BigNate

New Member
Trump didn't make that claim. Stephen Miller did. I went and read it. You're right. It doesn't say what I saw on the news. We shall see what happens.
I watched an interview that looked like it was from AF1 where Trump directly was asked and then answered about following SCOTUS.... I was not there and cannot confirm.

I do think it is scary that the DOJ already said that the individual was only deported due to a 'clerical error' and that he absolutely should not have been deported - then the same DOJ is fighting to keep this person deported, rather than face habeas corpus. (hey, if this guy really is bad, deport him, but we have laws here that say he still should get due process. simply prove to the court that he is bad-- and not the clerical error the DOJ already admitted to.)
 

ikarasu

Active Member
Trump didn't make that claim. Stephen Miller did. I went and read it. You're right. It doesn't say what I saw on the news. We shall see what happens.
I never trust the news because even if they're not biased, all their money comes from clicks... So every title, every topic is clickbait. It doesn't matter if it comes from Washington Post, or if it comes from fox news... All news sources should be used as an "index" so you can do your own research.

I don't think I've been to a news site in years.... Sometimes I'll see a headline and Google it, if it's something I care about I spend a lot of time researching it... .if it's something inconsequential, usually I'm guilty of just believing it as well.

There's a YouTuber called legal eagle - I don't know his affiliation.... But he focuses on the law of it all. He breaks down some of the stuff trump is doing or has done, points to the laws that it's breaking, or at best skirting around in a grey area.... Being a legal channel he always cites his sources, he brings on other lawyers when it's topics he doesn't specialize in to make sure his information is accurate .. it's a good watch if youre interested in the legal aspect of things.


a lot of the stuff is grey area, and shouldn't be done... But I can accept the argument that the system is corrupt and he needs to in order to get stuff done. But some of it is so against the American constitution and founding principals of USA... The Scotus ruling demanding he be brought back, being one of them... I think he has 2 weeks (not personally, but doj), so it'll be interesting to see if they flat out ignore it, or if they listen to the courts, and supreme Court', and bring him back for due process. They keep saying they can't because it's up to the other president... But America is paying this country millions of dollars to house criminals.... I'm sure if Trump wanted him back, he'd be back the next day. But even if they can't get him back.... Trump has said himself he'd like to send us citizens who are criminals to the same jail.... Which is highly illegal.... I haven't read or researched that one too much, just what I saw trump say in a news conference - so I won't go into too much detail, but how can you guys export us citizens, even if they're the worst prisoners of the world... To a country with no human rights? Doesn't make sense.


Or his whole running for a third term... It's literally written plain as day in the constitution that a president can't serve more than 2 terms... It doesn't say 2 consecutive terms.... Doesn't that scare you that he's pretty much pulling a Putin / xi and stay in power longer than legally allowed? Some people are saying it won't happen,and to just wait and see... But the fact that he's talking about it is concern enough, by the time he tries it, it'd be too late.
 

ikarasu

Active Member
oh boy, more "dictator" rhetoric.
at least the libtards have moved on from the russian collusion hoax, but crying wolf isn't getting you anywhere.
What rhetoric?

- Trump says multiple times in videos where he'll run third term.... The constitution says 2 terms, isn't America built on, and the highest rule of law / Americanism come from the constitution? In which case why is it okay for anybody to mock it and try to get around it?

So yeah... Seems a bit more than "dictator rhetoric" to me. And call me(or others) libtard all you want.... If Obama or any democratic said the same thing, you'd be shitting your pants and demanding he resign.
 

MikePro

Active Member
Or his whole running for a third term... It's literally written plain as day in the constitution that a president can't serve more than 2 terms... It doesn't say 2 consecutive terms.... Doesn't that scare you that he's pretty much pulling a Putin / xi and stay in power longer than legally allowed? Some people are saying it won't happen,and to just wait and see... But the fact that he's talking about it is concern enough, by the time he tries it, it'd be too late.
"omgurrrd. first he colludes with russia, then he steals classified documents, then he rapes women, something something insurrection, and NOWWWW he's gonna re-write the constitution!"
rabble rabble
...libtards are not to be taken seriously & should get a new hobby besides trying to hide their lobotomy scar with blue/pink wigs.
 

ikarasu

Active Member
"omgurrrd. first he colludes with russia, then he steals classified documents, then he rapes women, something something insurrection, and NOWWWW he's gonna re-write the constitution!"
rabble rabble
...libtards are not to be taken seriously & should get a new hobby besides trying to hide their lobotomy scar with blue/pink wigs.
Keep doing what you do best. You have no argument against it so you resort to calling names, it's people like you who have caused this problem - burry your head in the sand, ignore all information, then resort to acting like a 5 year old.

If what "libtards" say is rabble rabble, why not act like an adult and post a rebuttle instead of act like a 5 year old?
 

MikePro

Active Member
riiiiight.
cry wolf some more, libtard, or prove trump intends to thwart the constitution and insert himself into a 3+ term.
Maybe you should worry more about electing your next blackface'd PM who seizes bank accounts & arbitrarily declares protesters as terrorist groups, rather than opining on mis-contextualized jokes from your future governor.

...and LegalEagle is trash. Pure TDS, with his only redeeming quality being his trolling skills on twitter.
If you want a Canadian lawyer to mansplain US legal & political topics for you, look no further than VivaFrei.
 
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CanuckSigns

Active Member
"omgurrrd. first he colludes with russia, then he steals classified documents, then he rapes women, something something insurrection, and NOWWWW he's gonna re-write the constitution!"
rabble rabble
...libtards are not to be taken seriously & should get a new hobby besides trying to hide their lobotomy scar with blue/pink wigs.
lol
 

BigNate

New Member
riiiiight.
cry wolf some more, libtard, or prove trump intends to thwart the constitution and insert himself into a 3+ term.
Maybe you should worry more about electing your next blackface'd PM who seizes bank accounts & arbitrarily declares protesters as terrorist groups, rather than opining on mis-contextualized jokes from your future governor.

...and LegalEagle is trash. Pure TDS, with his only redeeming quality being his trolling skills on twitter.
If you want a Canadian lawyer to mansplain US legal & political topics for you, look no further than VivaFrei.
Dang! I guess Ika was right - you cannot refute, just resort to name calling...
 
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