US Tariffs, Sigh!

[Geneva Olson]

That's a whole lot of explanation for a criminal. You claimed in your prior post that it looked clear that he was ms13. then in your response to me, you claim the evidence is flimsy.

this is the reason I get frustrated on here. I explained what I know to be true from what i've seen and read. You go look and seem to agree with me. Then you turn around and question it. You don't trust the government. but you trusted the last government?


Can you make up your mind?

There used to be a sign in the halls at school that said, "people who don't stand for anything, fall for everything".

You're a fence rider man, pick a side, man. you're flip flopping like a fish.

 

[ikarasu]

That's a whole lot of explanation for a criminal. You claimed in your prior post that it looked clear that he was ms13. then in your response to me, you claim the evidence is flimsy.

this is the reason I get frustrated on here. I explained what I know to be true from what i've seen and read. You go look and seem to agree with me. Then you turn around and question it. You don't trust the government. but you trusted the last government?


Can you make up your mind?

There used to be a sign in the halls at school that said, "people who don't stand for anything, fall for everything".

You're a fence rider man, pick a side, man. you're flip flopping like a fish.

I do think it's clear he's ms13. But I'm a guy reading news articles, I don't see all the evidence.

In the USA... You have the right to face your accuser. I think he's ms13... But what if he has evidence, or a good argument that he's not?

That's what I'm saying. NO one man, whether it's the president, or realistically whoever at DOJ decided to report him, or me can declare him guilty of something just by reading some papers we managed to find on the internet.


I don't trust any government - which is why I agree with checks and balances. Do I think Trump's out to deport a bunch of people who have no right in being deported? No, but I think every single person is fallable and can make mistakes.


The flimsy evidence is because from what I've read, and the evidence I've seen... I don't think a court would find him guilty. But I do personally think he is.... I wouldn't send him to jail without hearing his side of the story though, but while I believe he's guilty.... Do I believe he's guilty without beyond a reasonable doubt? Not without seeing ALL the evidence to get rid of all the doubt.

I'm not flip flopping... Just being reasonable, it's not like the guys being sent on a vacation.m.. he's being sent to one of the worst prisons in the world, where there's a pretty good chance he gets tortured and treated inhumane... Am I bad for not wanting to crucify him because of some news articles and police reports I've read... Without at least hearing his side of the story?


And I guarantee you I've spent more time researching this guy than whoever signed his deportation order....and that's the scary part.

 

[Gino]

Who cares about courts which depend on technicalities in these kinda crimes ?? He's a wife beater and has a pret-ty bad temper. I could care less if he's ms13 or dolt 3. He belongs in jail (somewhere) with the key thrown away..... preferably down there, rather than here. Quite frankly, I'm tired paying for all these miscreants all the time. Not to mention the ones who aren't caught and still steal from our government. That equates to stealing from the masses and I don't like it. Let more people just skip into this country and watch the deficit go higher, even faster.
Is this the only country where you can be paid to come into illegally and given rights they don't deserve ??
At one time, you had to register, pass some tests, disown your original country and understand our laws and to not break them. Sound fmiliar.....
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door

 

[JBurton]

What does blaring music, humiliating them, stripping them naked, pulling off nails acomplish other than show our own barbarianism?

It does a lot to inspire the next generation of terrorist, looking at the way they ground palestine into the ground, I'll bet in 10 years the next hamas will make the october attacks look respectable. Not to mention all of the maimed kids from operation 'page me to death', they won't forget.

Quite frankly, I'm tired paying for all these miscreants all the time. Not to mention the ones who aren't caught and still steal from our government. That equates to stealing from the masses and I don't like it. Let more people just skip into this country and watch the deficit go higher, even faster.
Is this the only country where you can be paid to come into illegally and given rights they don't deserve ??

That's what I'm saying, kick all these south afrikaans out, they are just taking money with both hands while p*ssing on the little guys, while telling them it's a shower of gold.

 

[ikarasu]

Who cares about courts which depend on technicalities in these kinda crimes ?? He's a wife beater and has a pret-ty bad temper. I could care less if he's ms13 or dolt 3. He belongs in jail (somewhere) with the key thrown away..... preferably down there, rather than here. Quite frankly, I'm tired paying for all these miscreants all the time. Not to mention the ones who aren't caught and still steal from our government. That equates to stealing from the masses and I don't like it. Let more people just skip into this country and watch the deficit go higher, even faster.
Is this the only country where you can be paid to come into illegally and given rights they don't deserve ??
At one time, you had to register, pass some tests, disown your original country and understand our laws and to not break them. Sound fmiliar.....
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door

Where's it begin and end? Is it because he's an illegal immigrant, or a wife abuser?

Trump was accused by dozens of people of sexual abuse.... Should we not waste tax paying dollars and send him straight to jail? A jurry of 12 even awarded someone 5 million to an accuser saying he sexually abused them.

Wife beaters should go to prison, not for a day or a month or a year... But for a very long time. But for as many faults as I think goverments and their systems have, innocence until proven guilty isn't one of them.

ALL criminals, should have their day and court, and get the book thrown at them if they're found guilty... But there's so much disinformation on the internet about everything that someone's guilt shouldnt ever be decided based on someone reading a news story.

Is a wife beater worth spending money on? No.... But keeping the principles of a country, following the constitution and enforcing a fair and just law system sure is.

 

[JBurton]

...and nobody is entitled to your goods&services, so refuse to bake any/all the Israel cakes you desire. its well within your rights. kinda weird, but antisemitism is the hip thing nowadays i guess. you do you boo.

I just caught this burn... Refusing to support Israel, or even an active boycott, does not equate to anti-semitism, it is at worst civil disobedience, or frankly my first amendment right. What chaps my ass is the document they force every vendor to sign before accepting state contracts that says 'I pledge to not boycott Israel or support anybody else that does.' Telling me what to do with my business and money is the very goddamned definition of government overreach!

Where's it begin and end?

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Just saying...

 

[Gino]

ikar.......... you tend to miss the boat just about every time. You're like my stepson. He thinks there's a pill for every little ailment and gets mad when it doesn't start working within 8 minutes. You look at almost everything in black & white.

I don't particularly wanna send someone to prison or cut their fingers off for stealing, unless it's very obvious. When you have so much proof staring ya right in the face, ya take that cancer outta the equation. Why is it, outta the 10's of 100,00 0's of criminals in jail is it wrong if 2 or 3 get punished unjustly, but in war, it's alright to take thousands upon thousands civilians out and call it collateral damage ?? You seem to be the type that only singles in on one tree in and entire forest and then complain that its' not doing well. So, you wanna dismantle the whole forest to save a useless tree. I'm saying that's how I view you, not that you are, but it's exactly what you do here on the site. You don't seem like you look at the whole picture and determine what is best..... just what you think others want to think of you.

 

[JamesLam]

So, anyone have ideas or suggestions on dealing with the tariffs and how they are affecting our day to day operations.

For now we do not pay tariffs going into the US but we pay a surtax (a rose by any other name...) when bringing goods back to Canada. Even though the products we move fall under the USMCA. It's a small and irritating amount and really a waste of time and resources for low value entries.

We are starting to see more price adjustment notifications from many suppliers whose products come through the US. Many companies felt that this may have been settled by now, but prices for consumable are on the rise.

 

[ikarasu]

ikar.......... you tend to miss the boat just about every time. You're like my stepson. He thinks there's a pill for every little ailment and gets mad when it doesn't start working within 8 minutes. You look at almost everything in black & white.

I don't particularly wanna send someone to prison or cut their fingers off for stealing, unless it's very obvious. When you have so much proof staring ya right in the face, ya take that cancer outta the equation. Why is it, outta the 10's of 100,00 0's of criminals in jail is it wrong if 2 or 3 get punished unjustly, but in war, it's alright to take thousands upon thousands civilians out and call it collateral damage ?? You seem to be the type that only singles in on one tree in and entire forest and then complain that its' not doing well. So, you wanna dismantle the whole forest to save a useless tree. I'm saying that's how I view you, not that you are, but it's exactly what you do here on the site. You don't seem like you look at the whole picture and determine what is best..... just what you think others want to think of you.

It's not alright in war, but there isn't always a choice. Collateral damage is a give in, BUT they do everything in their power to prevent it, don't they? Theres rules of war / engagement... If bin laden was in a school and there were 5 kids in the school, but USA said Whelp... We can bomb the school, it'll save thousands of lives, those kids are worth it... They'd be committing a war crime, and there would be punishments for their action. If Bin laden was in a school after hours, they were watching the school and believed it to be empty... And sent a bomb to blow up the school, And found out halfway through the missile being launched that there were children... Do you think they'd say oh well, too late, and let it go? Legally and morally that'd be wrong of them to do. It'd make USA no better than the guy they were trying to kill.

You're half right. In my mind, it's not an either or - It isn't let the 1 tree burn so the forest can survive... it's do whatever you can to save the 1 tree, even if it means the forsest has to wait 30 minutes for me to go dig the one tree out, or spend hundreds, or thousands, or whatever it is to save the tree (Assuming the tree is a person, I wouldn't save a non hypothetical tree). If They turned the plane around like they were ordered to, what would the harm be? Drop garcia off... and send the plane off again. Deport him to another Country if the only issue is the country he was being deported to. My tax dollars go towards so much useless shit, I'd be more than happy if some of it went to ensuring everyone got a fair trial.

America was built on founding principals, principals that are supposed to mean something - This isn't just about Garcia, it's about the whole system. It's taken hundreds of years to get to where we are law, and policy wise... Why can we just throw it out the window and ignore the courts...Even if you think they have no authority over the president or DOD.... then how is it ok to ignore the supreme courts? You're ok with whats happening so you don't mind that Trumps taking a dumb and bypassing the courts... but what if all of a sudden someone else is elected, and decides revolvers are good enough to satisfy the 2nd amendment, and every other gun is illegal and they start rounding up all the guns? Throw out all the past court precedent, all the checks and balances that were placed, and executive order his way or ignore the courts to get his will done? Yeah... it seems crazy and hyperbolic like it'd never happen, but 5 years ago, 10 years ago, no one ever thought a president would ignore a judges or supreme judges rules.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[ikarasu]

So, anyone have ideas or suggestions on dealing with the tariffs and how they are affecting our day to day operations.

For now we do not pay tariffs going into the US but we pay a surtax (a rose by any other name...) when bringing goods back to Canada. Even though the products we move fall under the USMCA. It's a small and irritating amount and really a waste of time and resources for low value entries.

We are starting to see more price adjustment notifications from many suppliers whose products come through the US. Many companies felt that this may have been settled by now, but prices for consumable are on the rise.

The only thing you can really do is adjust your prices. The companies who are being tariffed importing the goods is passing the tax onto you / the product.... Your choice is to either eat it, or pass it along to the next guy. That or try to find something made locally.... We buy Canadian made Coroplast, and swapped from our USA Made ACM to a European made brand. Vinyl and consumables are a bit harder.... We wont use aftermarket ink so we're stuck... We're a 3M certified company, so 90% of what we use is 3M.... so we're stuck there as well.

 

[GAC05]

Too complicated for me. We get a 10% tariff added to everything we ship through our ocean freight forwarder, which is based in California. We've applied for exemptions as we do not do business in California, no buying or selling, just transshipping through their wonderful state. We already have California state taxes added to our shipping costs, passed along to us by our freight forwarder doing business in the state. Once it lands here, we pay another 5% on the invoice (island gross receipt tax). Funny part is, if our orders are small enough to go through the Post Office (domestic USPS Priority Mail rates apply here), we don't pay the tariffs, even though the packages more often than not pass through California on the way here.

 

[ikarasu]

Too complicated for me. We get a 10% tariff added to everything we ship through our ocean freight forwarder, which is based in California. We've applied for exemptions as we do not do business in California, no buying or selling, just transshipping through their wonderful state. We already have California state taxes added to our shipping costs, passed along to us by our freight forwarder doing business in the state. Once it lands here, we pay another 5% on the invoice (island gross receipt tax). Funny part is, if our orders are small enough to go through the Post Office (domestic USPS Priority Mail rates apply here), we don't pay the tariffs, even though the packages more often than not pass through California on the way here.

I think it's going to get even more complicated, Looks like US is trying to put a port fee on any ship that was built in china, to bring ship building back to USA. From what I understand, almost every container ship is built in USA... so ontop of the tarrifs there will be a $50 per ton port fee on any ship built by china (Originating from China, or anywhere else) So that will add close to a million dollars port fee for every cargo ship. Spread out over every container on the ship... I dont know how much that will increase costs, but it's sure making importing anything complicated. We do a few US shipments a year... Used to be easy, you plug in what you're shipping and the value... And it'll tell you what taxes you need to pay, or the customer needs to pay... Then they do all the waybills for you via an E-waybill.... Now they wont accept packages like that anymore, we have to use a customs broker, or pay UPS to do all the calculations

 

[MP Custom]

It's not alright in war, but there isn't always a choice. Collateral damage is a give in, BUT they do everything in their power to prevent it, don't they? Theres rules of war / engagement... If bin laden was in a school and there were 5 kids in the school, but USA said Whelp... We can bomb the school, it'll save thousands of lives, those kids are worth it... They'd be committing a war crime, and there would be punishments for their action. If Bin laden was in a school after hours, they were watching the school and believed it to be empty... And sent a bomb to blow up the school, And found out halfway through the missile being launched that there were children... Do you think they'd say oh well, too late, and let it go? Legally and morally that'd be wrong of them to do. It'd make USA no better than the guy they were trying to kill.

You're half right. In my mind, it's not an either or - It isn't let the 1 tree burn so the forest can survive... it's do whatever you can to save the 1 tree, even if it means the forsest has to wait 30 minutes for me to go dig the one tree out, or spend hundreds, or thousands, or whatever it is to save the tree (Assuming the tree is a person, I wouldn't save a non hypothetical tree). If They turned the plane around like they were ordered to, what would the harm be? Drop garcia off... and send the plane off again. Deport him to another Country if the only issue is the country he was being deported to. My tax dollars go towards so much useless shit, I'd be more than happy if some of it went to ensuring everyone got a fair trial.

America was built on founding principals, principals that are supposed to mean something - This isn't just about Garcia, it's about the whole system. It's taken hundreds of years to get to where we are law, and policy wise... Why can we just throw it out the window and ignore the courts...Even if you think they have no authority over the president or DOD.... then how is it ok to ignore the supreme courts? You're ok with whats happening so you don't mind that Trumps taking a dumb and bypassing the courts... but what if all of a sudden someone else is elected, and decides revolvers are good enough to satisfy the 2nd amendment, and every other gun is illegal and they start rounding up all the guns? Throw out all the past court precedent, all the checks and balances that were placed, and executive order his way or ignore the courts to get his will done? Yeah... it seems crazy and hyperbolic like it'd never happen, but 5 years ago, 10 years ago, no one ever thought a president would ignore a judges or supreme judges rules.

Well Said.

 

[Gino]

There's ALWAYS a choice. It just depends if you wanna take the hard route or not. There're rules for being a good citizen or visitor, too...... which are far easier to carry out than the bombing raids. But again, you missed the basic point(s). I'm not sure how you could make a fire stop for 30 minutes, while you dig it out, but that's in your mind. Unless you haven't noticed, our founding father's made all these rules and policies almost 250 years ago, and they've been butchering them ever since. Adding this or that to fit certain needs or desires. This notion that you think our country was founded on is just about every country's constitution. Only the dictatorships and socialist dreams vary. However, theirs is just that a certain few have rights, but none of the citizens.

The main point is simple........ the guy is guilty and none of this should ever need to be investigated any further. They have written proof and videos of this punk. Stop wasting anymore money on it and put him outta his misery. Cripes, a horse breaks a leg and they shoot it. Is that right ??

I'm sorry ikar, but your thoughts or personal policies just aren't consistent. You speak out at the moment, but you speak out like someone who hasn't had enough time to collect his/her thoughts. You jump around and although some of your points are very good, in places you actually backpedal and contradict what YOU have said earlier.

Just my observations.

 

[ikarasu]

There's ALWAYS a choice. It just depends if you wanna take the hard route or not. There're rules for being a good citizen or visitor, too...... which are far easier to carry out than the bombing raids. But again, you missed the basic point(s). I'm not sure how you could make a fire stop for 30 minutes, while you dig it out, but that's in your mind. Unless you haven't noticed, our founding father's made all these rules and policies almost 250 years ago, and they've been butchering them ever since. Adding this or that to fit certain needs or desires. This notion that you think our country was founded on is just about every country's constitution. Only the dictatorships and socialist dreams vary. However, theirs is just that a certain few have rights, but none of the citizens.

The main point is simple........ the guy is guilty and none of this should ever need to be investigated any further. They have written proof and videos of this punk. Stop wasting anymore money on it and put him outta his misery. Cripes, a horse breaks a leg and they shoot it. Is that right ??

I'm sorry ikar, but your thoughts or personal policies just aren't consistent. You speak out at the moment, but you speak out like someone who hasn't had enough time to collect his/her thoughts. You jump around and although some of your points are very good, in places you actually backpedal and contradict what YOU have said earlier.

Just my observations.

Any examples of how they're inconsistent? Pretty sure I've always said he seems to be ms13, but everyone deserves their day and court and shouldn't just get deported at a whim further clarifying an opinion when asked about it isn't being inconsistent.


Also - what written proof and videos do they have to prove he's guilty? All I've seen are he was arrested while standing outside with 2 known members (no one ever saw him do anything illegal?!) and his wife called in a complaint on him.... And then retracted it, and has said since then that she called incase things got out of hand, but they didn't and things have been all good.

So guilty by being in presence of some members.... And a complaint that's been retracted. Lots of people are friends with criminals.... And lots of people make up abuse claims (not saying she did, but should be not get his day in court before being judged?)

DHS released all the evidence they had on why they deported him. He has no criminal history, he didn't goto jail / be charged as ms13 because he said he was there looking for day labor work, he was allowed to be in USA and had a work visa.

A Major part of going to court is discovery.... You get to learn what they have against you, and get an opportunity to explain away your version of events. So yeah.... While on the face of it, it's pretty obvious he's ms13.... That's based on all the evidence (which there can be dozens of reasons for), that the government has provided.... not one thing that he's provided... he can't speak out or defend himself... and why? Because he was sent to another country and thrown in a foreign jail. I'd say especially his case hilights why he shouldn't just be deported without due process.

 

[ikarasu]

There's ALWAYS a choice. It just depends if you wanna take the hard route or not. There're rules for being a good citizen or visitor, too...... which are far easier to carry out than the bombing raids. But again, you missed the basic point(s). I'm not sure how you could make a fire stop for 30 minutes, while you dig it out, but that's in your mind. Unless you haven't noticed, our founding father's made all these rules and policies almost 250 years ago, and they've been butchering them ever since. Adding this or that to fit certain needs or desires. This notion that you think our country was founded on is just about every country's constitution. Only the dictatorships and socialist dreams vary. However, theirs is just that a certain few have rights, but none of the citizens.

The main point is simple........ the guy is guilty and none of this should ever need to be investigated any further. They have written proof and videos of this punk. Stop wasting anymore money on it and put him outta his misery. Cripes, a horse breaks a leg and they shoot it. Is that right ??

I'm sorry ikar, but your thoughts or personal policies just aren't consistent. You speak out at the moment, but you speak out like someone who hasn't had enough time to collect his/her thoughts. You jump around and although some of your points are very good, in places you actually backpedal and contradict what YOU have said earlier.

Just my observations.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inter...DKAB6BAgREAE&usg=AOvVaw0lrTU78e5eTHlieqAIKdiI

Here's an example of why reading online posts and deciding he's guilty from it shouldn't warrant a "he's definatelly guilty and should be deported". He doesn't have ms13 tatood on his hand... If you don't believe daily beast or any other news site, look at photos of him when he met the senator, or before that, or any other photo.
I don't think Trump's dumb enough to have people photo shop this and post it on purpose1 - but I do think he saw the photo.... Said hey,evidence, and posted it to truth social and a bunch of news organizations, and now millions of people think it's true. Without proper due process, who's to say everything else that's even posted isn't fake? Or misunderstood? If something the president posted can turn out to be a complete fabrication, why can't the rest of it? "Innocent until proven guilty" has been one of the most crucial laws in USA... As much as I think he's ms13, I'm not afraid to admit I may be biased from the news articles I read, and that could make me wrong about him.

 

[GAC05]

Thedailybeast.com??

 

[ikarasu]

Thedailybeast.com??

Yeah... I don't like to give him traffic, and it was the first link in google when I searched for it. https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1913358867708493982 Heres his twitter account showing it.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114361211919694573 Heres his truth account....

I obviously can't link a twitter or truth post of him saying it was photoshopped, trump tends to double down and never retract. You can go watch videos of the Democratic senator talking to garcia and look at his hands yourself... The photo is literally a screengrab of the video interview with MS13 photoshopped into it.