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Wanting to build a thermoforming machines vacuum forming machines

blawdsg

New Member
New to the forum, hope everybody out there in the buisness is doing well. I have been scouring the web trying to find some drawings or how to for putting together a large thrmoforming oven for making pan faces. We are interested in making one but need some direction.

any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

AUTO-FX

New Member
Hi, and welcome to the show!
So, you're only going to make one? Seems odd to go to all that trouble....
 

Kottwitz-Graphics

New Member
Hi, and welcome to the show!
So, you're only going to make one? Seems odd to go to all that trouble....

I agree. First problem your going to have is to heat the material evenly. Then building the scissor lift mechanism to lift the plastic up to the heat source.

It just doesn't make sense to try to build your own. If your looking to make a few faces, you would be better off contacting a face manufacturer. If your setting up to make a go of doing it for other companies, why would you want to gamble on something that may or may not work correctly, which will destroy more material than what you will successfully make...

If your bound and determined to have a forming machine, try a google search... this is the first one to come up. http://www.thermoformingmachinery.com/
 

Mosh

New Member
I made one that will form 18"x24". I used a shop vac and a broiler from an oven. NO WAY would I try making anything bigger myself. It took ALOT of trial and error to get something that small to work. I make all sorts of model peices and even made a Stormtrooper suit with it. Mostly forming polystyrene, but it will do 1/8" plex, but not as good of detail as the styrene.
 

GAC05

Quit buggin' me
Mosh,
do you have any photos of you in that vac-formed Stormtrooper suit you would care to share?

wayne k
guam usa
 

Wes Phifer

New Member
I built a 3' X 4' once really as a test. I was going to build a bigger one. Once I figured it out it wasn't fun anymore. I just order them formed. If you want to talk about it you can PM me. I am no expert but I can tell you how I did it.
 

round man

New Member
Back in the sixties a friends dad decided to make his own vacuform oven,...later that year it caught fire and burnt down the strip center the shop was behind,it devastated the family financially for at least a decade and needless to say put an end to a very promising sign business,...my advice,.... buy a used one and let the manufacturer pay the lawsuits if something goes wrong,in the long run it will be more profitable anyway as they will have worked the bugs out and will keep you from messing up any expensive plastics or worse,....
 

jwright350

New Member
There are plans on ebay for sale to build one. I bought the plans and built the 2' X 3' version. It cost about $1000 in parts + money on a good vacuum pump ($500) and some of them were tricky to source. It uses abut 12 calrod heating elements. It pulls 40 amps of 220v. Its sorta scary to use, but I make tray tables for the aircraft industry with it. The design would be very easy scale up to make pan faces. But I wouldn't design one any smaller than 5' X 10'. At that size you'd need some serious electrical skills and new 440v wiring to you building so you aren't pulling 500 amps.

Personally, I just buy my faces from a big company here in town that makes them. But if you wanted to make your own...go get an existing machine off ebay or an auction. Plan on it costing lots of money to move though.

You'll also need some woodworking tools to build your molds.
 

John L

New Member
Jwright - I'd love to see a pic of your machine and the trays you make with it.

I've been interested in this many years. We used to spray mask and paint faces for an older fella local here that used to bake and form sign faces up to around 8' x 14' with a home made LP GAS fired one he had designed and made. This was sketchy as hell but the old guy was a master at it. He knew just how long, how close, etc. He made thousands of faces for large national sign companies, all in his barn out behind his house.

We used to always run up to his property when it snowed cause he always had dozens of screwed up faces that made awesome sleds.
 

blawdsg

New Member
Thanks for the feedback.

We have been looking for used ovens but have been unsuccesful finding a unit big enough to meet our needs.
The homemade unit we have seen is 8Ft x18Ft, it has about a 36" opening with an automated door. You bring the temp inside up to 350F and slide the plex in, once at the right temp you pull it out, place it over the form and hit the switch. Bam, pan face, just trim and paint as needed.

I was hoping someone on this forum had plans or some insight as to how to fabricate one. The scissor lift is not nessassary for this type of unit. and the guy we know that made his made hundreds of diffrent faces using it.

We are fabricators so it should be easy enough to make with a little direction.
 

jwright350

New Member
Just looked, the plans I used aren't on ebay anymore. :( They are highly detailed and the machine is very high performance when it comes to sucking the plastic over the tooling.

The tray tables I make are formed out of kydex (which is a textured plastic used in auto and air interiors) if you every flown on a commercial plane and used at tray table... there you go. Its 2 parts glued over a honeycomb core. The ones I've done are for smaller jets and turbo props. The tools I use are CNC'ed out of a resin and then I drill holes thru all the tight spots and route out a cavity on the back side.


It was nice to finally be able to put my mechanical engineering degree to use after 10 years of being a graphic designer. LOL
 

andy

New Member
Thanks for the feedback.

We have been looking for used ovens but have been unsuccesful finding a unit big enough to meet our needs.
The homemade unit we have seen is 8Ft x18Ft, it has about a 36" opening with an automated door. You bring the temp inside up to 350F and slide the plex in, once at the right temp you pull it out, place it over the form and hit the switch. Bam, pan face, just trim and paint as needed.

I was hoping someone on this forum had plans or some insight as to how to fabricate one. The scissor lift is not nessassary for this type of unit. and the guy we know that made his made hundreds of diffrent faces using it.

We are fabricators so it should be easy enough to make with a little direction.

8ft x 18ft??!!!

At that size your are talking about an EPIC amount of heating elements and truly horrific power consumption. We fabricated our own machine which heats a pretty big surface area.... so I thought. Compared to what you are proposing it appears our machine little more than a kitchen toaster.

To heat around 4ft x 4ft it takes us 12KW of power... this amount of heating power works pretty good and it's exactly what our heating element manufacturer recommended for plastic heating/ forming. For your continental sized machine you're looking at a peak power consumption of almost 100kw... that is a LOT of juice which a standard commercial power supply probably won't be able to cope with... worth checking the max KW peak your supply WILL take and then design a machine from there back.

Wiring the elements is something which takes a lot of care and attention to detail. You will want to zone your elements, this allows you to split the power load down from one cable which would be the diameter of an elephant's leg into cable sizes which are more manageable. This needs careful planning... ideally your zones should radiate out from the smallest sheet size you want to form to the biggest... that way you only need switch on the elements required for the sheet size at hand.

Wiring this monster oven isn't something I'd relish... that's a huge amount of power and a serious amount of heat.

We form EVERYTHING inside a stainless steel clamp frame because a sheet of any plastic at forming temp is a sheet of rubbery film which has no dimensional stability whatsoever... drag it out of the oven manually and it'll stretch, warp and go everywhere. If your mate does drag around sheets of red hot plastic then he's in a very small minority; everyone else either pushes the mould former up from under the sheet or drapes the sheet over from above.... we do the latter.

The next thing is vac pumps... you want something BIG, something which can pull and maintain vacuum for a long time. There are various types but I'd be looking for a big blower type or a linked batch of proper vac pumps... we use a chunking great 400v Vac pump on our machine. You can never, ever have TOO much vacuum but you can always have to little. If you are forming a large pan face with insufficient pump "pull" there isn't going to be much to see... your pump needs to break the last vestiges of resistance left in the hot sheet which just won't happen with a weedy little pump. All pumps are adjustable so you can turn down the power of a big pump.

Mould manufacture and finish is a whole different can of worms... it's not as easy and straightforward as it sounds.

Personally for something the size you are suggesting I'd buy a machine from a specialist manufacturer and have done with it... your size and power load is well above that you'll find in any interweb instructions.
 

Pat Whatley

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You bring the temp inside up to 350F and slide the plex in, once at the right temp you pull it out, place it over the form and hit the switch. Bam, pan face, just trim and paint as needed.

If you get the plexi soft enough to confrom to your mold how do you possibly handle the hot, soft, giant sheet of plexi to get it on the mold? I thought most vacuum forming machines heated and molded the stuff all in the same machine.
 

signmeup

New Member
The one I built is 16" x 24". I've made thousands of parts with it. It is a 2 stage vac system. It uses a vacuum cleaner motor for the first stage (low vac/high volume) and a tank to store high vacuum created with a vac pump. The heating is done with a house hold dryer element plugged into 220.

I heat the plastic on top of the heater and lift it off and place it over the vac machine/mold. The plastic is held in a hinged aluminum clam frame. For smaller pieces I use a one sided aluminum angle frame and steel office clips hold the plastic in place.

My molds were made from dental stone... a type of tooling plaster. They would get so hot in use that you could just barely pick them up.

I wish I could come up with a product to make with it like the aircraft trays mentioned above. Anyone have any ideas? I used to make parts for the line of R/C airplane kits I manufactured.
 

blawdsg

New Member
I deffinetly made this process sound alot more simplistic than it really is, I have not seen the oven that this guy made, my boss has. I was going off of the description given to me by him. Never the less he did make it himself and it is 18Ft x 8Ft, and yes it has a ton of elements in it and from what I am told is a power consuming beast. I agree that buying a industrial unit is the way to go but we are just looking at all options in the enitial plase.
 
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