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Week of morons

gnubler

Active Member
1. Installed a sign last week. On Monday I emailed the customer and asked if they were happy with everything and included the final invoice. They said they love the sign, I figured payment would be forthcoming in a few days. This morning I get an email, "Can I get the final invoice for signage?" I just copied the contents of the previous email and resent it.

2. Emailed a proof and payment link to a customer, who responds with "Looks great thanks. We will send a chec" It ended there, so I figured they meant to type 'check'. A week or so passed without receiving payment so I emailed to see if they still wanted to get an order going. This was the response: "Yes we are still interested. I was under the assumption that it would be ready this. Was the $100 number the total? I thought I would receive an invoice. If you need the payment in advance that is fine. Let me know if you need a check or a credit card number."

3. Lately have been dealing with a few customers who are spending $1,000+ on a new sign, and then order a cheap window cling from Vistaprint or wherever and slap it on their storefront door, almost impossible to see behind tinted glass and full of bubbles. Looks like sh!t. I typically charge around $100 for a storefront door, cut vinyl logo and lettering, installed, and people are turning that down because "they can do it themselves".

4. I've been getting a lot of work from a local designer. I appreciate the business and I like her, but every single email and file I get from her is full of typos to the point where it makes her sound drunk (is she emailing her clients like this too?), and she has no concept of staying within one email chain per project so I'm juggling questions and answers across several threads, leading to confusion and madness. Constantly starting new emails when we already have a thread going for that project.

5. Got a big job from a designer done entirely in Papyrus, which may have been chosen by her client, but really she should have guided her client into using something else. Made my eyes water working on it. I had another customer come in and see the signs on the table...she looked at me and said "Papyrus?!" We both laughed.

6. The sailboat guy. He saw my van in a parking lot last week and asked if I do boat decals. I said yes and told him to email me a picture of the area of the boat where he wants the name to go and approximate measurements. A couple days later I get an email with a distant picture of the entire boat, in winter, partially covered with a tarp. Okay. I replied with a ballpark price and said installation cost will vary depending on if I go to the boat or if he brings it to my shop. Never heard back from him. Monday morning I arrived to find a sailboat dumped in front of my shop. No communication, didn't even have an order started yet. I was literally stupefied and had to wait a day before calling him...I can have a pretty hot temper at times. Spoke with him on Tuesday and explained the process, he apologized and wanted to proceed with an order. I emailed an invoice link requesting payment and this was the response: "That's great, how do I pay online?" I emailed the link again, this time the actual URL he could copy & paste in case it was getting stripped out. Two days have passed, no payment, boat still sitting here. I have very limited parking in my lot, and told him so. At this point I'm dropping this order and if the boat isn't gone by the weekend it will be towed next week.
 

gnubler

Active Member
Forgot the best one!

7. Random guy walked in yesterday, looked like he walked out of a backwoods shack, I already knew what I was in for. He wanted a bumper sticker - ONE - that said something like "If you don't like my driving, then go f*ck yourself" I thought he was joking, said Excuse me? It was no joke. I said no and walked away, I don't like confrontation. He shouted something and then slammed my front door. I'm parking my van in the shop for a few a nights in case he wanders back here at night.
 

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
Forgot the best one!

7. Random guy walked in yesterday, looked like he walked out of a backwoods shack, I already knew what I was in for. He wanted a bumper sticker - ONE - that said something like "If you don't like my driving, then go f*ck yourself" I thought he was joking, said Excuse me? It was no joke. I said no and walked away, I don't like confrontation. He shouted something and then slammed my front door. I'm parking my van in the shop for a few a nights in case he wanders back here at night.
Are you keeping a can of Raid under the counter like Stacey does? Maybe you should...
 

JBurton

Signtologist
I'm with Starsign, get it out on the lake and teach yourself to sail! Don't forget a dingy when you can't get it back to port, and an airtag so he can find it later.
Forgot the best one!

7. Random guy walked in yesterday, looked like he walked out of a backwoods shack, I already knew what I was in for. He wanted a bumper sticker - ONE - that said something like "If you don't like my driving, then go f*ck yourself" I thought he was joking, said Excuse me? It was no joke. I said no and walked away, I don't like confrontation. He shouted something and then slammed my front door. I'm parking my van in the shop for a few a nights in case he wanders back here at night.
Now this guy, you just ask him to wait, go find a scrap piece of vinyl, mark it up with sharpie, bring it out to him and tell him $50 cash, $75 cc.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Many of those things could be avoided with a more specific explanation of what you need, when and how. Seems communications are lacking and if they are first time customers, how or why would you expect them to know what you want. They're not mind-readers.
 

gnubler

Active Member
Many of those things could be avoided with a more specific explanation of what you need, when and how. Seems communications are lacking and if they are first time customers, how or why would you expect them to know what you want. They're not mind-readers.
I use templates/the same language in all email correspondence. 99% of customers don't seem to have any issues, I try to keep things clear and simple because people tend to skim wordy emails (myself included).

This bunch over the past week or so are taking skimming to a new level, like not reading or comprehending anything at all.
 

JBurton

Signtologist
This is what happens when they make marijuana legal.
In my experience, when they make it legal, the dispensaries that open up spend serious cash on everything that can considered 'building improvements', because they can't do much with their excess cash aside from sticking it in a vault on site. The place that opened in my town has $30k worth of signage outside, and $10k inside. It's madness.
But then yeah, everybody and their mother suddenly gets diagnosed with ptsd, so now driving through town with your windows down, you're going to catch a whiff of skunk at every other corner.
 

JBurton

Signtologist
It's not legal in Idaho
They're missing out on some significant tax revenue. Arkansas's 100k residents with cards have generated $120 million in tax revenue since 2019. Of course our fearless governor has just used this income to cut taxes on walmart and tyson...
 

gnubler

Active Member
Thanks for sharing, this is good stuff :). As for #3, that’s because you are progressing as a signmaker. Don’t sweat the crappy window decals, you are getting the good work ($1000+ signs).
Yeah, I hear you, but it's aggravating to go through all the time and expense of making a nice sign, only to have the customer muck up the final presentation.
Also reflects badly on my business if someone else knows we made the sign and then happens to see it in real life along with the customer's "enhancements" and assumes I did it. Cringe.

I stopped designing websites for people for the same reason. As soon as the customer gets control and gives several people access to it, it's systematically defaced. Random font changes and colors, inserting images that break the template, etc. I think most web designers galleries only show screenshots of their work BEFORE turning it over to the client, and hope to god nobody visits the site now that the client has had the opportunity to screw it up.
 

Scotchbrite

No comment
Sometimes it seems like people just read the first sentence of an email. Anymore if I have multiple questions I ask them one email at a time after each has been answered.
 

njkreger

The Swiss-Army Knife for Sign Shops
5. Got a big job from a designer done entirely in Papyrus, which may have been chosen by her client, but really she should have guided her client into using something else. Made my eyes water working on it. I had another customer come in and see the signs on the table...she looked at me and said "Papyrus?!" We both laughed.
Good Lord! (though it was the Lord's favorite font back in the late 90s - early 2000s, at least according to every church in the Midwest.) You should post this masterful design. I have this conversation with my wife occasionally when we see Papyrus in the wild on the rare occasion, and it's always 'WTF were they thinking?!? How did that pass muster?!?'
 

gnubler

Active Member
Sometimes it seems like people just read the first sentence of an email. Anymore if I have multiple questions I ask them one email at a time after each has been answered.
This is exactly what's happening, though the customer will never admit it. I try to funnel everything into email so there's a paper trail, and even with simple written instructions/questions right in front of them, it's ignored.

I had an install scheduled on Friday PM and that morning made calls to every customer who had a job ready for pick up and let them know to please call ahead to make sure someone would be here. One of the morons in my original post got my message and decided to drive 50 miles to pick up his sign anyway and found the shop closed. I'm guessing people hear/see "Your sign is ready..." and don't have the attention span to continue listening or reading.

Shouldn't be my problem, yet I'm forced to deal with the aftermath of their stupidity.
 

gnubler

Active Member
Good Lord! (though it was the Lord's favorite font back in the late 90s - early 2000s, at least according to every church in the Midwest.) You should post this masterful design. I have this conversation with my wife occasionally when we see Papyrus in the wild on the rare occasion, and it's always 'WTF were they thinking?!? How did that pass muster?!?'
I've actually made purchase decisions based on the usage of Papyrus, say on packaging or someone's sign. As in, I took my business elsewhere. LOL

That it's being used by a municipality for building signage is ugly, and so wrong.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
When you do the math you told us, that 99% of your customers don't have a problem, that must mean only 1% are having troubles. With as many complaints as you come up with, you must have countless jobs going through your shop a day or even week. For a one-person shop..... it sounds hardly possible.

Another thought, I believe you're the person who mentioned closing the shop up when you feel like it.

In my experiences over the many decades, most customers view you or your business (as n generally speaking.... you ) that like most any business has posted hours and not changing them willy-nilly. If I go to a pizza shop, barber, shoe store and anything open for business, other than closing for lunch, I expect them to be there. No way would I depend on a last minute e-mail giving me instructions or options. You might look into having someone babysit your shop if you're gonna be gone for any reason, so ya don't p!ss so many people off and get yourself all bent-outta-shape with that 1%.
 
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