What Product Sticks To Latex Paint?

[rjssigns]

Client called, and the graphics they installed fell off the wall after a few days.
I asked, and he confirmed it was painted 3 weeks ago with latex paint.

I know this has been beat to death in the past, but technology moves on. I also did an advanced search here, which turned up a lot of things that worked, but no clear "winner."

One thing lacking in the threads was the exact brand/type of paint causing the issue. Without that critical piece of information I'm running blind.
Some even claimed it was solvent inks causing an adhesion issue with wall noodle type materials, and suggested UV flatbed prints. I dunno...?

What is the latest fix for this issue?

 

[BigfishDM]

I have a an adhesive wall canvas that hold up well in low VOC, the best thing to do is to use denatured alcohol and a scotchbrite pad on the wall to remove that top layer of glycol. After that all your basic vinyls will stick fine.

 

[solock]

An observation on zero voc paints in the last 3-4 years used in commercial locations is that it takes a long time to be truly receptive to normal vinyls, We follow the 3M guide http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/241610O/5-37-application-guide-to-smooth-and-textured-walls.pdf and use 3M IJ39 in those instances.
A wipe down with diluted denatured alcohol, twice, then IJ39 has yet to fail. It will stick like crazy, but there is typically no forgiveness and the ability to undo, redo is just about gone. It will destroy the drywall if that is what your going onto. Alternatives is to painters tape outside the edges and use 3M primer to keep a solid bond on the edges.

 

[skyhigh]

before I used a scotchbrite pad and alcohol, I would think repainting the wall may be an easier task?

I guess it would depend on the amount of coverage (or type of coverage) you were doing.
ie......if you were applying "cut vinyl" lettering, I don't know if I would use a scotchbrite pad and alcohol? wouldn't that change the sheen in that area?
Full coverage prints would be fine.

 

[d fleming]

Phototex

 

[rjssigns]

Thanks to everyone that gave suggestions. I think I'll pass on the job as It seems there is still no consensus on what works 90+% of the time. I don't think the client wants to pay for at ton of testing either. I have plenty of other work without opening a can of worms.

 

[Asuma01]

We gave up on vinyl wrap wall installs and go the wallpaper route now instead. We subcontract out the install to local wallpaper installers. If the customer doesn't like it they can find someone else to deal with horrible vinyl wall wraps that fall off walls. We have spent and lost too much money trying to get adhesive vinyl to work. Wallpaper is cheaper and easier to deal with.

 

[d fleming]

I have never had phototex fail for interior wall murals on painted sheetrock.

 

[rossmosh]

Thanks to everyone that gave suggestions. I think I'll pass on the job as It seems there is still no consensus on what works 90+% of the time. I don't think the client wants to pay for at ton of testing either. I have plenty of other work without opening a can of worms.

If you want something that works 100% of the time, go and find a paint that works well with vinyl. There are plenty of them out there. Tell any customer that wants a wall mounted graphic they can either repaint the wall, have the graphic applied to a panel, or find another vendor. The paint option is not all that expensive. Considering it's a basic top coat, you don't really even need to do an A+ job. Just coat over the crappy paint with good paint and away you go. The only trick to the job is letting the paint dry/cure. I'd recommend waiting a minimum of 72 hours.

 

[TSC1985]

We gave up on vinyl wrap wall installs and go the wallpaper route now instead. We subcontract out the install to local wallpaper installers. If the customer doesn't like it they can find someone else to deal with horrible vinyl wall wraps that fall off walls. We have spent and lost too much money trying to get adhesive vinyl to work. Wallpaper is cheaper and easier to deal with.

What wall paper material do you use? Eco solv or aqueous printer?