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Rant Whatever happened to Health & Safety?

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MrDav3C

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Is it just me or this a great example of clueless installers taking stupid risks?

Please note this isn't my business, just a random company I saw installing this locally today and thought "how stupid, dangerous and unprofessional!"

Yes, it's not that high, but really ladders on a van roof??? Surely they should buy some better ladders and equipment?

Would love other people's thoughts on this!
 

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Gino

Gino

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If ya think they're doing everything wrong..... do ya think they applied for a permit ??

:noway: They don't give a sh!t.
 
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BigNate

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look close - there is a deck on top of the van... I am not saying what they are doing in the pic is safe... BUT a deck could be built that looks like that one and has secure attachment points for the ladder, etc.... so other than not knowing which side of the road to drive on, they may actually be doing this in a relatively safe manner. (okay, I really want to believe they are really cleaver and did this correctly.... alas, the OP is most likely right and this is totally unsafe...)
 
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unclebun

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They make tents that mount on platforms like that and people camp on top of vans like that. Standing on it seems like it would be a piece of cake. Probably as steady and secure as they'd be on a double level of scaffolding.
 
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ikarasu

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Not going to lie, I've thrown the ladder in the bed of my truck a few times to get some extra height when needed.

I was just installing some overhead signs in a parking garage.... Was using 2 ladders and drilling into the concrete overhead sucks, so I backed up the truck and stood on the teneau cover.

Some things are against safety regs for sure.... But sometimes safety regs are at too strict


Not sure I'd do it on-top of a cube van though, that's a pretty big drop.
 
gnubler

gnubler

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Signarama Jockey said:
It looks like they have some kind of platform bolted to the top of that van. I wouldn't categorize that as safe, but at least they put some effort into getting a flat surface to work on.

I'd give it a 4/10.
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That looks like me last summer, when I had to straddle over some landscaping bushes installing window graphics, with one foot on a ladder and one on the ledge of the building. I figured if I fell the boughs of the bushes would gently cushion my fall. :D
 
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MrDav3C

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BigNate said:
look close - there is a deck on top of the van... I am not saying what they are doing in the pic is safe... BUT a deck could be built that looks like that one and has secure attachment points for the ladder, etc.... so other than not knowing which side of the road to drive on, they may actually be doing this in a relatively safe manner. (okay, I really want to believe they are really cleaver and did this correctly.... alas, the OP is most likely right and this is totally unsafe...)
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I don't think that's a deck, I think thats the projecting sign they are about to install!

Actually, you are right after a bit of a better look, there is a deck!
 
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pro-UP

pro-UP

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I saw some guys installing siding on a new residential building that was three stories. I wished I had taken a picture. They had a ton of ladders tied together like scaffolding. It was one of the craziest things I had ever seen. I did see a guy installing a sign locally doing exactly the same thing as OPs pic. Ladder on top of their truck. Isn't ladder falls one of the number one injuries? Crazy and not worth the injury.
 
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Vassago

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MrDav3C said:
Is it just me or this a great example of clueless installers taking stupid risks?

Please note this isn't my business, just a random company I saw installing this locally today and thought "how stupid, dangerous and unprofessional!"

Yes, it's not that high, but really ladders on a van roof??? Surely they should buy some better ladders and equipment?

Would love other people's thoughts on this!
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You see this alot with people who just start a business - they don't understand the" correct" way to do it.. Only looking at the cheapest way.

H&S is a big deal in the UK - but some people ignore everything.. Probably a cash in hand job.
 
rydods

rydods

Member for quite some time.
I've done it before, one time and it was the last. Just had that sick feeling in my stomach the entire time. I bought a bucket truck after that. Now I want another one because somedays only 1 seems "sketchy" on some jobs.
 
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Vassago

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rydods said:
I've done it before, one time and it was the last. Just had that sick feeling in my stomach the entire time. I bought a bucket truck after that. Now I want another one because somedays only 1 seems "sketchy" on some jobs.
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Only takes one mistake.. Once you've got the proper equipment - you wonder why people don't use it...
 
visual800

visual800

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they have a platform on that van and they are getting the job done, you dont need harnessnes for using a ladder, they are good to go! I commend them
 
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Vassago

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visual800 said:
they have a platform on that van and they are getting the job done, you dont need harnessnes for using a ladder, they are good to go! I commend them
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Whilst they may have a "platform" on top - where are the stabiliser legs?

You ever wobbled a van?

You've a ladder on an unstable surface. Not exactly the safest thing to do.

Plus.. Potentially illegal parking - most councils don't allow this.

Its one thing to do such things at home - but another when it's a business and the public are put at risk.

Do you think they've got insurance?

Can you imagine the conversation if there was an accident? Wouldn't end well..
 
Notarealsignguy

Notarealsignguy

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Looks fine to me but why is the guy too scared to climb the ladder. He's on the bottom rung reaching as far as he can. Like 5 guys staring at a hornets nest tossing twigs at it but none have the balls to knock it down.
 
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Vassago

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I've done plenty of questionable things in my time, but when you've got employees it's different..

The problem arises when quotes are provided..

Companies using proper health and safety techniques for their staff will have larger costs than those who just stick a ladder on top of a van..

But when someone falls.. Who pays the guy who's injured? The company sure won't as they won't have insurance.
 
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