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Your Tax Dollars at Work road sign cost

Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by binki, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. binki

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  2. bannertime

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    $6000 each??
     
  3. binki

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  4. bannertime

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    Hmm. Lets get a bit unreasonable here and say 5 people at $45 p/h (so lets say $90p/h to the customer), plus two trucks at $500 p/h. 4 Hour job. Still less than $5500. I'm honestly not sure how someone can justify $6k each.
     
  5. Solventinkjet

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't installing this type of sign entail pouring concrete, making sure the post is plum and then attaching the sign with a few bolts? Theoretically, couldn't one guy with some tools do that? If so, I just might become a sign installer and charge $5000!
     
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  6. bannertime

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    That's exactly my point! Even if you add extra man power and unnecessary equipment, it's still really hard to get up to $6k.
     
  7. binki

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    It's a money grab, just like everything else here in government.
     
  8. binki

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    Why do they need a sign anyway, I can see the roadwork and I can figure my tax dollars are paying for it.
     
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    The article says these signs are 700 each
     
  10. bannertime

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    Yes it does say those are $700 each, but OP says $6000 each for the install. I can't find that in the article and I just watched the video and it wasn't there either. So yeah, where did binkibinki get the $6k install from?
     
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    Californication at work
     
  12. binki

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    Yeah, it popped in the news because we are trying to repeal one of the taxes that is paying for this crap.
     
  13. SignosaurusRex

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    Prevailing wages, fuel surcharges, Tariffs on materials, paperwork and pencil-pushers, middle-man charges, etc. Oh and don't forget those pesky permits and associated costs ...yes, Government agencies do charge their own individual departments for those items too. Just a giant circle-jerk to suck more tax dollars and increase projected budget needs for the following year and protect job security. Don't forget... those signs will need to be un-installed etc. o_O
     
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    If you look close at the first appearance of that sign it looks like the substrate is Coroplast???? Horizontal flutes....Woever is selling those signs for $700 is making a killing.
     
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  15. Christian @ 2CT Media

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    That's not flutes, that's 3M Prismatic Reflective
     
  16. Billct2

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    Where does the $6000 install figure come from?
     
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    I mean this in the most delicate way possible, but this is a scare piece. The article doesn't mention where they got those figures from. The close up on the signs shows that they are clearly made from the cheapest thin corrugated material possible to probably keep costs down. Lastly, even if they were made out of a full 4x8 sheet of 0.063 aluminum with reflective (which they aren't) they would MAYBE hit that $700 mark. I don't know about you guys, but we give government accounts a discount, they are tax exempt, and usually buy in bulk which adds to those discounts... maybe this article should look to the sign company that is price jacking and screwing over government officials...?
     
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  18. Bobby H

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    OK, I read the article and watched the TV report. No mention of a $6000 installation figure per sign anywhere. The OP needs to come up with a specific, factual source. To me it sounds like complete made-up BS. Just more emotional porn propaganda so political junkies can get an anger-gasm out of something. Somebody needs to cite a specific, factual source for that figure. The signs look pretty cheap and temporary in nature. Coroplast on wood posts for the most part.

    The only problem I have with the SB1 signs is where they're being installed: close to the road within the highway right of way. Only actual traffic control signs are allowed within the highway ROW, and those have pretty strict rules to follow. Signs not specifically designed for controlling traffic are to be installed outside the highway ROW and utility easement. The one guy in the video fighting the fuel tax hike has a point with his complaints against those signs.

    As for the fuel tax increase itself, the cost of living and doing business in California has become so insanely expensive that it only figures the price gouging would eventually affect the cost of building and maintaining roads. The labor gets more expensive. And the materials aren't getting any cheaper either. A few months ago Oklahoma had its first fuel tax increase in 25 years (a 3¢ hike on gas, 6¢ on diesel). The CA fuel tax hike is quite a bit higher. But I think the folks in California need to look at some other things when complaining about price gouging in that state.

    Side tangent: I'm not a big fan of California's highway signs. Many of them are really ugly. They have some old vintage button copy signs, but most of those are in bad shape. I can't think of any other state that does patch jobs on big green signs like Caltrans. I think Texas does a much better job (mostly). Here in Oklahoma things are hit and miss.
     
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    Anyone else think David Wolfe lives in his mom's basement and probably has a collection of Star Wars action figures. Past that I too never saw anything about $600 each to install.
     
  20. Bobby H

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    I'm struggling to see how someone could extrapolate a $6000 labor cost on the installation of a single, simple sign installed next to the roadway. On the other hand, I could imagine the installation charge for a big green overhead freeway sign getting into that territory (particularly in high cost of living California). Those signs aren't cheap at all. The steel mono-tube pylons common to many of the new freeway signs are pretty serious. Some of the green panels get pretty huge.
     
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