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sign design or logo design are the areas I tell clients right off the bat that it is more difficult to quote. I explain that my shop rate is $100 an hour, so I build my design quotes around that number... BUT, the way I actually proceed is like this. When someone comes in to talk about design...

jerks? yes!! and you already know this, but your analogy should show it... it's like a stranger walks in your office with a shiny gizmo, and a 15 page contract... says want this gizmo? here sign the last page here, agreeing to the 15 page contract (which allows him to root around taking data...

here is the thread in the premium section, with material cost info, and a request for thoughts on mark-ups, and other pricing considerations: http://signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74347

ok, then let me guess again... maybe you don't have employees? ...I don't know, I'm not intending to say I know your story, but what I am observing (or thinking that I am) is a classic employee point of view, that is difficult for employees to break free from and see the employers view, until...

hahahahaha :ROFLMAO:

but I think $27,000.00 was a typo for $2700.00

let me guess.. you are still someone's employee? an owner doesn't have to show up at 7, seize EVERY great opportunity that you see, or avoid EVERY selfish distraction that you see, to be the reason YOU have a job, and the reason HIS clients come to you, to keep you employed... sure, I get the...

great thread!!

...well. I hope you do get sued. ...oughtta go earn your own clients! ...thief. ...BTW, might wanna learn to F'n spell too.. :doh:

Thanks Rex, I just got off the phone with Ron Percell at letterhead Sign Supply ...that guy is such a wealth of information!! (when you do call him, make sure you have time to chat... he can tell you the history of every product, it's usage history & the alternative products used since the last...

dammit.. I knew it :omg:

well that settles it then... I should buy them too :rolleyes: ...seriously.. I wish the second topic was it's own thread, because one thing you can count on is people tire of a conversation & this one has been going on long enough to have some people quit coming back. I hate investing in...

I get a lot of cards every year. I've never even thought of saying "thank you"... but I have thought I wish i had sent cards... I looked into it this year, thinking I'd send 500 to 1000, but i just couldn't afford it. Penny wise pound foolish I'm sure, and i still wish I did it, but I'm...

Forgeinc, you are not speaking of the same thing... An unhappy design client does not automatically indicate a ineffective design, or designer, and doesn't preclude that designer from expecting compensation. Se people can not be pleased even if they are reasonable at first and you deliver...

here is the layout: Tonight or tomorrow I will start another thread in the premium section.

might make a good thread all by itself.

true, I'd like to add that Casey (SignBurst PCs) generously gave me his time on the phone to discuss my needs, and helped me select the device mentioned above, AND I was entirely satisfied with paying $2000 for the item, from another vendor. (Thanks again for the free advice!) I only...