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spmracing
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Well,
Figured out it was bad laminate... Glad it was replaced for free!
Figured out it was bad laminate... Glad it was replaced for free!
Signed Out
New Member
Doubt it has anything to do with using dawn, unless you didn't thoroughly clean with alcohol afterwards, which would be pretty obvious as the vinyl wouldn't have any initail tack.. We regularly prep surfaces this way: clean with 3m citrus cleaner (if necessary), then clean with light soapy water mixture (2 drops of dawn per full spray bottle of water) then clean twice with alcohol, drying with dirt cheap paper towels. Have never had any issues using this method.
Well,
Figured out it was bad laminate... Glad it was replaced for free!
Dang..How did you get 3M to turn around so fast and replace your lam? Takes weeks to get ahold of someone here. Normally you have to talk to a 3M Rep on material failure after installations not your distributor rep. Glad you got it fixed.
HulkSmash
New Member
yeah, this.
And yes dawn soap could cause this.
also.. do you have pics of teh failing laminate.. i'd love to see it
Gino
Premium Subscriber
I would imagine if the distributor wants to let the application person determine the cause here, they will opt to let a roll of laminate go as it would eliminate anymore blame coming back to them, since the installer diagnosed his own problem. Seems a very cheap out to me.
I doubt very much if 3M was involved whatsoever in this thus far.
My question would be, with your vast experience in this field, spm..... how/why are you considered a substrate specialist in determining vinyl failure ?? What tests have you conducted to be capable of determining this when a day ago, you hadn't a clue ?? Simply saying something is so, doesn't necessarily make it so, regardless of how authoritative you might sound.
I doubt very much if 3M was involved whatsoever in this thus far.
My question would be, with your vast experience in this field, spm..... how/why are you considered a substrate specialist in determining vinyl failure ?? What tests have you conducted to be capable of determining this when a day ago, you hadn't a clue ?? Simply saying something is so, doesn't necessarily make it so, regardless of how authoritative you might sound.
I had problems with a 3M product and fellers sent me directly to the 3M rep in my area. Did not even want to try to be involved. 3M took more than month to get back in touch with me. By then I refunded the clients money and was done with it. The fastest rep I have ever dealt with was Oracal the guy was awesome and helpful but even then it was 1-2 weeks.
Kentucky Wraps
Kentucky Wraps
Convection
And Gino your right...only on pre-application though. If I ever have any material / lam problems fellers, grimco, advantage all of them have been great with swapping them out so I can continue production. NONE of them have done that if you have a failure after installation and in their eyes I do not blame them cause all the incorrect ways of installing.
HulkSmash
New Member
It's obviously inexperience. If the poster knew how 3m does their claims he wouldn't be making himself look silly.
for future reference... 3m requires you to send their techs a sample of the failed lamination from the actual boat. They send you a mailing slip... It takes like 2 months to get any type of return or refund... and um if you ever get to that stage which you most likely won't.. They'll say it's your fault..so uh try again?
for future reference... 3m requires you to send their techs a sample of the failed lamination from the actual boat. They send you a mailing slip... It takes like 2 months to get any type of return or refund... and um if you ever get to that stage which you most likely won't.. They'll say it's your fault..so uh try again?
