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Alternative to 3M IJ35C?

Discussion in 'Product and Supplier Referrals' started by Andy D, Aug 25, 2020.

  1. Andy D

    Andy D Very Active Member

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    Probably 80-90% of what I do in-house is outdoors short to mid term signs on flat panels, 1-16 months.
    I have been using 3M IJ35C for the mid term signs but haven't been happy with any type
    of vinyl for short term signs. Is there a off-brand vinyl type with comply adhesive that's less than the 3M IJ35C? The thicker the better.
     
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    Briteline Duration X (Grimco) pretty decent and almost identical to the 35c of a couple of years ago before 3M screwed it up.
     
  3. WYLDGFI

    WYLDGFI Merchant Member

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    Can always go with Avery 2921. Air egress...white back...removable. Good stuff.
     
  4. JBurton

    JBurton Signtologist

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    Are you skipping lamination?
    I use 35c as my go to cheapie, but it has to be paired with some arlon 3420 to be stuck by inexperienced hands.
     
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  5. BigfishDM

    BigfishDM Merchant Member

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    What are you paying for 35C?
     
  6. Andy D

    Andy D Very Active Member

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    $235 for 54" x 50 yards, free delivery.
     
  7. Andy D

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    I don't laminate coro or styrene, I offer it as an add-on but nobody chooses it.
    The issue I have is that my laminator sucks and if I try to mount any vinyl that's not a thicker and air egress I get bubbles I can't work out.
     
  8. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    Is it only for Coro or styrene? if so use Arlon 510MTX
     
  9. JBurton

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    Really? Honestly I've never tried to mount unlaminated through the laminator, but perhaps the laminator is the heart of the issue?
     
  10. Andy D

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    If I try to laminate vinyl, I either get horrible bubbles if the pressure is a tad too low, or it bunches up and wrinkles if the pressure is a tad too high and a happy middle is next to impossible to get.
    I have to mount the vinyl first and then laminate... even then I have to stop the laminator, pull the lamination off and restart about 1/4 of the time.
     
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  11. Andy D

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    FYI, I just found a source for $160 54" x 50 yards, so I guess that's as good as I will get & stick with that.
     
  12. JBurton

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    That's a pretty fine price indeed! Who has that deal?
    Still gonna say, maybe the laminator needs to be replaced...
     
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  13. Andy D

    Andy D Very Active Member

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    PM me and I will be happy to link you up... they deliver to my area but I believe if you buy more than $200 they ship for free...but you will need
    to call and check that.

    My laminator is they type that both sides go down separately & the weight of the roller should be enough pressure, but it has a horrible low spot, so I have to apply
    pressure & if either side has a tad more pressure it screws up.
    My plan is to switch out the top roller with the bottom one and see if that helps... If not, what I have done with a different laminator was to take the rollers to a machinist
    and let them lathe it down, it work perfectly before and I talked to a local guy who says he has done that before, I really don't want to take my laminator apart if I can avoid it.
     
  14. BigfishDM

    BigfishDM Merchant Member

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    Ok, I think I can come up with something for ya. What is the shipping zip code? Let me see what I need to do.
     
  15. Andy D

    Andy D Very Active Member

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    Thanks Bigfish, but I just found a source for $160 54" x 50 yards free delivery, can you do anything with that?
     
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    Mind sharing your source? the board would benefit with your finding, including me.
     
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  17. JBurton

    JBurton Signtologist

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    I'll take ya up on that!
    It sounds like you're doing a lot to take care of the laminator, I'm guessing it's not a frequently used machine? Or you have cruel bosses who like to see you suffer?
     
  18. Andy D

    Andy D Very Active Member

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    No, the business owner is a great guy, couldn't ask for a better boss.. I don't do a lot in house, mostly to get stuff for our clients in a bind.
    Check your PM.
     
  19. Andy D

    Andy D Very Active Member

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    PM me and I will, I don't want to put out info to the general public that might hurt vendors here.
     
  20. icedhot

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    thank you
     
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