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Always watch the ratio -known cases vs. deaths & flu comparison

Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by Jburns, Mar 22, 2020.

  1. Notarealsignguy

    Notarealsignguy Active Member

    Feb 20, 2020
    You have to wait in the USA for dr appointments too. I have to see a specialist and first available slot is in june. The healthcare system here is nothing to brag about.
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  2. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

    Mar 9, 2004
    I haven't had experience but months to over a year for non essential surgery.
  3. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

    Mar 9, 2004
    Don't worry even if you pay it can take months to get an appointment with a specialist here too.
  4. iPrintStuff

    iPrintStuff Prints stuff

    Sep 3, 2018
    United Kingdom
    The biggest problem with COVID-19 is the growth rate and the incubation period. On average someone with the flu spreads it to around 1.3-1.4 people (so an adult and a small person lol).

    So if I get the flu, and pass it on, then they pass it on - we’ll say up to 10 times. I’ve been responsible for 10 cases of the flu.

    with covid 19 if I pass it to three people, then they pass it to three people and so on, 10 times. You’re looking at 59000 people. And that can be in a VERY short space of time.

    I read the average hospitalisation rate is around 20%. Imagine even 20% of 59000 - 11800 people needed to go to the hospital all at once. Then even say 5% of those needed ventilators - 590 people. I don’t know about your hospitals but I doubt there’s too many around here with 590 free ventilators.

    Then what happens, is the seriously ill people that would have otherwise survived via a ventilator. Do not.
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  5. Bobby H

    Bobby H Very Active Member

    Feb 4, 2005
    Lawton, OK
    I grew pretty angry hearing the President yesterday repeat (again) the same tired, false equivalencies between COVID-19 and seasonal flu as a rationale for states and cities to lift their emergency restrictions. He even had the gall to work in car accident deaths (36,560 in 2018) as a sales pitch to spin these pandemic deaths as being a sort of "normal" thing for us to tolerate as we get back to business.

    The chubby spray-tan guy (like so many people) casually mentions 40,000 flu-related deaths without bothering to consider the other variables in the equation, such as those 40,000 deaths being from roughly 80 million infections. The orange $#1+-gibbon clearly doesn't understand or care about math concepts like ratio and proportion. COVID-19 has a higher mortality rate even if the health care system is able to properly treat all serious cases. If 80 million Americans were to be infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus at least 500,000 of them would die of the COVID-19 illess. More likely our health care system would utterly collapse from the strain of patients. The death toll would rise to 1 or 2 million people, if not even higher.

    Pneumonia is normally a treatable complication of respiratory infections like the flu or even COVID-19. Over in Italy pneumonia is becoming a death sentence for many patients. The hospitals don't have the capacity to treat every case. The situation is getting grim in Spain. Hospitals don't have enough beds. They're running out of supplies. Too many heath care workers on the front lines of this battle are getting infected and even dying. Those problems push the mortality rate of COVID-19 even higher.

    Consider that math when people like Andrew Cuomo say as many as 70% of Americans could get infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus over the next several months. 70% of our population would be 231 million people. At just a 1% mortality rate that would be 2.3 million deaths. But with a collapsed health care system that death toll would more likely be in the 4%-10% range, or 9 million to 23 million deaths.

    Lets also not forget that other health issues keep happening in the mean time. Deaths from heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc would rise dramatically in a health care system overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients. America's suicide rate is already horrible, but it would get a lot worse in this scenario. Pregnancies would become far more dangerous for both mothers and unborn babies. And those car accidents would become a lot less survivable.
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  6. TimToad

    TimToad Very Active Member

    Jun 13, 2013
    It's the owner of the site. He told everyone to "get over it" yesterday. His site, his beliefs, his rules. Like it or leave it.
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  7. FireSprint.com

    FireSprint.com Merchant Member

    Well this took a turn.

    Seems like a bad business decision, but confirmation bias will skew the data and never prove it I'm sure.
  8. Gino

    Gino Premium Subscriber

    Jun 7, 2006
    Can I therefore, take away from your continuing to post as a vote for...... liking it ?? I just don't understand anything you say or do. You have only one constant. To annoy...... and you are quite good at it.

    You actually have a choice here to either stick to your beliefs and leave, since you don't like it or no, not the toadster, you'd rather come to a place you dislike and disrupt the whole place. Your visions or views are completely accepted, just your delivery is off in the head. You are a very interesting piece of work, but just swarming in self pity and dispise.
  9. dypinc

    dypinc Very Active Member

    Mar 9, 2011
    "We have to take care of the cure that will make the problem worse no matter what" Slow Joe
  10. gnemmas

    gnemmas Active Member

    Nov 7, 2006
    Liquor stores, marijuana dispensaries are essential business here in Nevada. I can see with prolonged "shelter in place", parks, playgrounds are closed, alcoholism, domestic violence, depression, suicide rate ...

    With enhanced personal hygiene practice, protective gears, social distance learned during the pass few weeks, should we be able to open for business?
  11. XtremeXccessories

    XtremeXccessories Member

    May 18, 2012
    Layton, UT
    I see the censor-squad blew through this thread and deleted anything anti(yet true)-Drumpf. Murica.

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