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avery vs Oracal
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401Graphics
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651, sometimes 751 depending on the job. 751 does weed much easier. last time i bought 751 was only because i needed the ivory color that didnt come in 651
SignProPlus-Chip
New Member
When I compare the prices, what I see first is that 751 is about 219% more expensive than the 651.
I reserve premium vinyls for premium projects. 99% of jobs are easily service by intermediate vinyls. I'll never skimp on quality of supplies if the job requires it, but I cannot see using it as your everyday standard vinyl because it would more than double your vinyl cost.
With about 100 colors in house at any given time, that would be over 10k worth of additional product stocked on the shelf.
I reserve premium vinyls for premium projects. 99% of jobs are easily service by intermediate vinyls. I'll never skimp on quality of supplies if the job requires it, but I cannot see using it as your everyday standard vinyl because it would more than double your vinyl cost.
With about 100 colors in house at any given time, that would be over 10k worth of additional product stocked on the shelf.
I've shopped around and the cheaper I saw 651 is at US Cutter. Where do you buy your 651 cheaper?
OldPaint
New Member
i have always stocked 24" 150 yrd rolls of intermediate, since i have had a 24" or bigger cutter. the cost is considerably different in that size from intermediate to HP.
HP RED-$195
INTERMEDIATE=$77.50
to stock the basic 6 colors in HP -$800
same in intermediate - $480
so i stock intermediate for most all jobs in
WHITE
BLACK
RED
GREEN
BLUE
YELLOW
BURGANDY
any jobs that require HP, I by it 10 yard roll, for that only.
HP RED-$195
INTERMEDIATE=$77.50
to stock the basic 6 colors in HP -$800
same in intermediate - $480
so i stock intermediate for most all jobs in
WHITE
BLACK
RED
GREEN
BLUE
YELLOW
BURGANDY
any jobs that require HP, I by it 10 yard roll, for that only.
OlsonSigns601
New Member
I'm not sure about your math... I think you are doing 150' x 24' to get a square footage of 3600' per roll.
Should be...
751 = 150' x 2' = 300 sqft so $197 / 300sqft = $0.66 sqft
651 = 150' x 2' = 300 sqft so $90 / 300sqft = $.30 sqft
Difference = $0.36 per square foot
Also you can't use a 1' x 1' piece off a 2' roll.
So when calculating your cost (Unless you save every scrap of vinyl) you're pricing should be figured as cost per foot off the roll not square footage.
751 = $197 / 150 = $1.31 foot
651 = $90 / 150 = $0.60 foot
Difference = $0.71 per foot
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I calculate my costs.
dale911
President
Exactly. I came up with the same thing. 751 for vehicle graphics due to curves and contours. Never tried 651. I use grimco house brand for the easy jobs.
visual800
Active Member
Pixels Are Bad Mmmkay?
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I'm sorry but what was the point of all this math? Seems like smoke and mirrors to prove a moot point when all the info one really needs to consider is what you already stated. 751 is well over twice the price of 651. No half cents needed for that equation.
Now with that aside, I think what really matters with all vinyl applications is choosing the right vinyl for the job. With that considered, I use 651 for a wide variety of stuff from signs to vehicle graphics that are on flat or simple curved areas or for graphics that are shorter term. For working on newer vehicles or compound curves we use 751 or 951.
Vital Designs
Vital Designs
I have an 04 Subaru WRX we play around with (testing vinyl). I did the subaru WRC logo with our logo in the center back in 05 with 651. The colors were the subaru yellow with black and red. The logo was on the hood and 2 sides. In the TX sun within 9 months it shrunk and left the strip of adhesive. It also cracked in a slightly recessed area on the sides.
We removed it after less than a year and replaced it with the identical logo/colors using 751. This stayed on for 4 years under the same conditions and looked perfect. The only reason it was removed was because it was used in a TV show and required appropriate graphics.
Cast for vehicle graphics...period.
We removed it after less than a year and replaced it with the identical logo/colors using 751. This stayed on for 4 years under the same conditions and looked perfect. The only reason it was removed was because it was used in a TV show and required appropriate graphics.
Cast for vehicle graphics...period.
Mark S. Adams
New Member
651 for temp signs (coro / banners) . . . or cheap a$$ customers.
751 for everything else.
651 absolutely shrinks in the FL sun in less than a year. I've seen it over and over again.
Mark S. Adams
751 for everything else.
651 absolutely shrinks in the FL sun in less than a year. I've seen it over and over again.
Mark S. Adams
iGraphics&Designs
New Member
I might be beating a dead horse but your math is wrong. If there is a $.025 difference then that is 2.5 cents not .25 cents like you were thinking it was.
Figuring you use every square inch on the roll...
651- 150 x 12= 1800 x 24= 43,200.....79.99 / 43,200= .001851 per sq inch
751- 150 x 12= 1800 x 24= 43,200....172.95 / 43,200= .004003 per sq inch
That is a difference of $.002152 per square inch. So yes it is less than one penny more per sq inch, but that adds up fast when you are charging per square inch.