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Canon Colorado 1650 FEEDBACK
- Thread starter HulkSmash
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Squared2002
New Member
We had 2 HP Latex 570s and an HP R1000 Latex. I can tell you we were very skeptical about the sales pitches we got from Canon and how we would save switching to their printers. We mainly print PSV Vinyls for off road graphics and I can tell you that after carefully watching our ink usage for the first 3 months our ink savings was in the $1,000s. Our production time to print a full roll of material using the equivalent profile on the Canon we went from 2.5 hours on the HP 570 to 1.6 hours using the Colorado 1650. I had always been a true HP fan so this was tough to believe but I can tell you if you print similar products to us, you will save time and money switching to the Colorado.
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FireSprint.com
Trade Only Screen & Digital Sign Printing
So I have hesitated to say anything, but we have put alot of money into our 1650. When it runs it runs just great, but we go through printheads like they are consumables. Just about to put in 2 more. I think we’ve had to replace 15 now. 2 years, under 400k sqft. They aren’t cheap either at $4k or more each.
Right now we’re about to replace the cyan and magenta because they each have around 18 nozzles out.
We’ll replace those and it will run really really well for about a month…
Now our operators are entry level, but we have not had a head strike in a year and we keep a very clean shop.
We’re still trying to figure out exactly what we’re doing wrong, as we are a unique situation it seems.
Right now we’re about to replace the cyan and magenta because they each have around 18 nozzles out.
We’ll replace those and it will run really really well for about a month…
Now our operators are entry level, but we have not had a head strike in a year and we keep a very clean shop.
We’re still trying to figure out exactly what we’re doing wrong, as we are a unique situation it seems.
victor bogdanov
Active Member
Have you considered switching to one of the all inclusive plans that include ink/printheads, would be way cheaper than paying for 15 heads probably
FireSprint…great meeting you all at Print United. Hopefully they get you all situated and smooth sailing.
How was everybody’s install? They are wanting to install us the week of thanksgiving and I want to make sure I’m not getting short changed. We close at noon on Wednesday. Is that ample time to install, calibrate and train?
How was everybody’s install? They are wanting to install us the week of thanksgiving and I want to make sure I’m not getting short changed. We close at noon on Wednesday. Is that ample time to install, calibrate and train?
victor bogdanov
Active Member
Installation and training is done by different people, 2 days install and 2 days training. Mine was installed on Monday and Tuesday and I was trained the next week although I started printing right after install. You should double check when the training will be, should be separate from the install
FireSprint.com
Trade Only Screen & Digital Sign Printing
Our install was similar.
Yes, we’re getting a quote on the all inclusive so the print head cost will be their problem.
Banding still takes production to a snails pace though, it’s not just the cost of the printheads.
Yes, we’re getting a quote on the all inclusive so the print head cost will be their problem.
Banding still takes production to a snails pace though, it’s not just the cost of the printheads.
victor bogdanov
Active Member
That's odd with the problems you're having. I'll develop slight banding every 2-3 months (more like a line of slightly different matte finish visible only at certain angles) and a media calibration gets rid of it right away
Christian @ 2CT Media
Active Member
I would push for a replacement machine. We have 2 now and have not replaced a head. Our first machine is well over 600k sqft now.
Band is typically alleviated after the auto calibrations during printing with in the first foot or so.
FireSprint.com
Trade Only Screen & Digital Sign Printing
Sometimes the calibrations help. Generally when we need printheads replaced, it because nozzles have been lost.
Our Durst and vanguard printer have tens of thousands more nozzles and I think we are missing a total of 5 across both machines combined.
Something about our Colorado just doesn’t jive with us. Canon can’t seem to explain it either.
Our Durst and vanguard printer have tens of thousands more nozzles and I think we are missing a total of 5 across both machines combined.
Something about our Colorado just doesn’t jive with us. Canon can’t seem to explain it either.
They are telling me 2 days for install/training. That seemed awfully short to me. I feel like they are rushing to get this printer placed/installed the week of thanksgiving.
victor bogdanov
Active Member
Do you use Onyx already? Most of the training is learning Onyx, the printer operation/maintenance is pretty easy. In the 2 days training I had I would say there was 2-3 hours of actual training with the rest of the time printing jobs
Maybe they can do installation in a day now, my install started at 10 am and the tech was going at a pace to make sure he wasn't done before 5. Same thing next day work at a pace to make sure a whole work day can be clocked. I think at a not trying to make hours pace they can install in a day
We are running caldera and they are encouraging us to switch to onyx. Not gonna switch all of our equipment/software over for 1 printer. It sounds like there are not as many profiles through caldera. It’s hard to imagine there are only a few people using this printer with caldera.
FireSprint.com
Trade Only Screen & Digital Sign Printing
With how picky this printer is with its profiles, I would say you need to run onyx.
Canon will build profiles for you if you send them a roll of media.
Canon will build profiles for you if you send them a roll of media.
We bought the all inclusive contract. It covers 2 heads a year but excludes head crashes. We have changed 2 heads in 4 years with about 600k printed
Chase
New Printers for Christmas!
Our art team is excited to print in the FLX finish mode for the spot gloss look on wallcovering or PSV. Does anyone have feedback on this print mode and the results it produces?
We were focused on the 1630 over the 1650 due to printing mostly in the slowest 72 sqft an hour FLX mode they are tied.
At PU canon quoted
43k for the 1630 floor model
52k new both installed prices.
We were focused on the 1630 over the 1650 due to printing mostly in the slowest 72 sqft an hour FLX mode they are tied.
At PU canon quoted
43k for the 1630 floor model
52k new both installed prices.
victor bogdanov
Active Member
The ink price on the 1630 is higher and both printers will cost the same in the long run if you factor in ink price
Pauly
Printrade.com.au
It obviously comes with Onyx, but you have to pay if you need another licence if you already own onyx.. a little annoying.
They'd only encourage that is because their techs will know onyx better or they're onyx resellers which means they all specialise with onyx.
But Onyx & Caldera are both recommended. You'll notice in all the manuals that you'll see variations of every procedure for both RIPs
Also all their media profiles on https://graphiplaza.cpp.canon/media/ have both onyx and caldera.
Zhivko Yanakiev
New Member
Where is the limit when using prints from 1650 for wrapping? We have problems with deep profiles and side mirrors for example. The ink cracks.
Christian @ 2CT Media
Active Member
They say it's between 150 and 185% stretchability. We find we need to run in superior and have to cold stretch/piece in complex areas... Which is why we default back to latex