Chiropractors

[GAC05]

Do you know of anyone that's used male enhancement products more than once?...as for the Kardashians, to me personally, they are the pure antithesis of pain relief!

It would be hard to find anyone who would admit to using male enhancement products even once. much less anyone admitting to watching the Kardashians on TV.


As for the ME industry note the keywords "growth, size, expansion" in the following cut & paste.

A 6% increase in the size of the industry is even more growth than what they promise in their products - someone must be buying in........

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The Male Enhancement Industry

Statistics for the male enhancement industry are impressive. Take a look at the following points to gauge the size and power that this industry has:

• Sales revenue of over $5 billion per year (doesn't include pharmaceutical products).
• Profits of over $900 million per year.
• Consumer base of over 20 million people.
• Presence in most countries throughout the world.

It should be noted that the sales revenue figure noted above is only inclusive of products which are not part of any other industry. For example, a product such as Viagra would not have its sales stats recorded as part of the $5 billion, because it is a drug in the pharmaceutical industry.
Growth in the Male Enhancement Industry

Each and every year, the male enhancement industry grows. As more and more people discover that the products of modern day male enhancement to actually work, word-of-mouth causes other people to look seriously at buying products in the industry, and this results in higher sales and higher profits.
Currently, the growth path for the male enhancement industry is a positive one, with about 5% revenue growth each year forecast until 2014. Because of innovation and new products being released all the time, after 2014 the industry is expected to grow at a rate of around 6% per year for the following four years.
When compared to other industries, this growth rate is significantly higher, and it reflects the ability of the male enhancement industry to differentiate their products on a regular basis.
So what does all this mean? Ultimately, the male enhancement industry is a well developed, reliable industry with a solid base and with a very positive outlook for the future.

 

[Si Allen]

Finding the right Chiropractor is the key to the whole thing!

I go to one occasionally ... like after doing a gym floor.

He, in a previous life, was a male nurse and Physical Therapist ... then decided to become a Chiropractor. He started out by taking over a practice in a strip mall, and eventually moving into a large medical building.

Three examples:

1. Blew a disk on a wall job, next morning, legs were paralyzed, called him. He asked a couple of questions and reffered me to a Nuero Surgeon.

2. Left hip was bothering me, so went in to see him, a few tests and he said "You had the right hip replaced, now you will have a matched pair ... me to a Orthopedist!

3. Woke up one morning with pain all the way down mt right leg so bad that it was making my teeth rattle. A hand full of Advil got the pain down to a managable level, so I went to see him. He checked me and said to see my Orthopedist because I needed Cortizone shots and it was going to probably take three epidurals ... he was correct.

 

[bob]

Do you know of anyone that's used male enhancement products more than once?...

Not offhand, but I do know of people who visit all manner of self proclaimed psychics, seers, tea leaf readers, general purpose mojo men, acupuncture, acupressure, and perhaps even acuhappythoughts practitioners over and over again, seemingly endlessly.

Being carried in, no doubt close to fully paralyzed, on a litter and dancing out while whistling a merry tune after treatment is not evidence of anything working except perhaps gullibility. Before it can be accepted that something works it must be explained how it works in a manner that does not conflict with other things known to be true. That's doing science.

If it's not known how something works it cannot be known if it does work. You can suspect that something might be working but until you explain the mechanism, you cannot know just what it might be.

 

[Colin]

Too much doubt is better than too much credulity.

 

[bob]

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Science continually evolves, and any half decent scientist knows that an absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence...

Bzzzzt, thank you for playing.

Absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence. I realize that this is one of the mantras of the current generation of pseudo-scientists currently clogging up the system. It sounds very poetic and, at the same time, profound, and it will cause everyone hearing it to nod knowingly but it just ain't necessarily so.

One can conclude that there are no hyppogryphs, other than those decorating various illuminated manuscripts, because there is no evidence supporting their existence. There is no direct evidence supporting their non-existence.

Whatever do they teach in what passes for schools these days?

 

[JoshLoring]

On another note: I was suffering from severe carpal tunnel a year ago. Couldn't work on the computer 30 minutes without my arm or arms going numb. Researched surgery etc and opted to try acupuncture. Went 2x a week for a month and virtually eliminated all problems. Started going 1x a week and after a month zero problems. Praise acupuncture. I go once a month now and have had no numbness in over 6 months.
Although it is different then adjusting, it can fix pain.

 

[Colin]

Perhaps your leap to praise is premature.

Read.


"Plural of anecdote is not evidence".

 

[JoshLoring]

Perhaps your leap to praise is premature.

I'll take a needle placebo once a month if I can make it everyday and night without an entire arm going numb to the point of tears.
There will always be skeptics- this is unavoidable. I know that acupuncture helped me. That's all I need to know.

 

[ruckusman]

Looks like I'll just have to keep using scientifically unproven techniques to stay in good health and you can choose whatever method you like to keep your health, if that's surgery and prescriptions

As for the skeptics, they are no less than fanatical zealots about science to the exclusion of all else, does that truly mean that no knowledge existed before scientific method.
Attempting to argue that science is black and white is nonsense, it's a process that's evolving continually...not an absolute.

Lister was ridiculed for proposing tiny organisms that casued infections, ridiculed by the medical profession of the time, no less.

Cancer casued by a virus, the idea was mocked by the medical profession only several decades ago - now we have a vaccine for the human papillomavirus to prevent cervical cancer.

Women failing to become pregnant even on IVF are now going to Beijing to have acupuncture in conjunction with the IVF, this in co-operation with the IVF clinics, their success rate is 70%

To each their own, and if doesn't work for you, then don't do it, your choice, but spare others the condescencion and derision at their choices.

 

[ruckusman]

If it's not known how something works it cannot be known if it does work.

This is a truism, but it's also a nonsense. It fails to take account that something can work prior to understanding the mechanisms, and that's something that happens continually in science, discovering the mechanisms by which things work.

You can suspect that something might be working but until you explain the mechanism, you cannot know just what it might be.

Again things didn't NOT work before science discovered the mechanisms, and for what we're discussing here, objective measurements are not possible, when subjective anecdotal reports are the only, currently available, measurements.

Some things are not scientifically proven.
Some things that are not scientifically proven do not work.
False conclusion.
Things that are not scientifically proven, do not work.

These types of debates have been going on for Millennnia...

 

[Dakotagrafx]

I had to quit going to the chiropractor . . . I was getting addicted tot he crack. :ROFLMAO:


seriously though the last time I had a pain in my back the chiropractor was making no progress and a good massage therapist fixed it in 1 visit for less money

 

[bob]

Looks like I'll just have to keep using scientifically unproven techniques to stay in good health and you can choose whatever method you like to keep your health, if that's surgery and prescriptions

As for the skeptics, they are no less than fanatical zealots about science to the exclusion of all else, does that truly mean that no knowledge existed before scientific method.
Attempting to argue that science is black and white is nonsense, it's a process that's evolving continually...not an absolute.

Lister was ridiculed for proposing tiny organisms that casued infections, ridiculed by the medical profession of the time, no less.

Cancer casued by a virus, the idea was mocked by the medical profession only several decades ago - now we have a vaccine for the human papillomavirus to prevent cervical cancer.

Women failing to become pregnant even on IVF are now going to Beijing to have acupuncture in conjunction with the IVF, this in co-operation with the IVF clinics, their success rate is 70%

To each their own, and if doesn't work for you, then don't do it, your choice, but spare others the condescencion and derision at their choices.

To quote the late Carl Sagan "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Galileo, they also laughed at Bozo the clown."

That last paragraph of yours is telling. If it doesn't work for me then it probably doesn't work. There is no mechanism in the external reality that functions for believers but fails to do so for skeptics.

Vis-a-vis not knowing how something works. No one said there wasn't something working, only that it cannot be known exactly what that might be until the mechanism is defined.

You bandy the phrase 'scientifically proven' a great deal. Perhaps you should know that a valid hypothesis is incapable of proof, if can only be disproven. That being the case, science does not and cannot prove, it can only confirm or disprove.

 

[CES020]

If it doesn't work for me then it probably doesn't work.

What a shallow view of life to hold. What color is the sky in your world, Bob? Just because something doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for anyone else on the planet?

It's unbelievably arrogant to tell the people on this thread that HAVE had success with it that they are morons and have fallen for a snake oil sales pitch. DESPITE the real life example of how things worked for them.

But since it didn't work for you, then I guess we're all liars and so gullible that we fell for their tactics. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

I tried to slam dunk a basketball, but I couldn't get it to work, so it's impossible for ANYONE to slam dunk a basketball. Yeah, great logic path there......

I guess I'll quit going because it's all fake and doing me no good. My back really hurts right now, I guess, because all that relief must have been fake, so I thought my back was good, but since it's all fake, I guess my back really hurts right now. I thought my neck felt great too, but I guess that's a wreck too, since it's all fake.

It was said several times in this thread, your conditions might not be something they can help, but other people's might.

 

[Colin]

As for the skeptics, they are no less than fanatical zealots about science to the exclusion of all else.

So if you needed surgery, and the doctor said that he prefers using psychics to guide him through the procedure, you'd be ok with that? The only time anything gets "excluded" by the scientific method, is when it fails in observational tests & experiments.


The term 'skeptic' does not mean one who doubts, but one who investigates or researches, as opposed to one who asserts and thinks that he has found. (Miguel De Unamuno)

 

[bob]

What a shallow view of life to hold. What color is the sky in your world, Bob? Just because something doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for anyone else on the planet?...

Assuming you're not being deliberately obtuse and you actually are as silly as you sound, allow me to slightly modify my statement to "if it doesn't work for everyone under like conditions, it probably doesn't work at all."

There now, that version should require any no doubt painful abstraction on your part. It says the same thing as the original statement, merely spelling it out rather than taking a bit of trivial license with the language.

The point being that if something works then it works equally for both skeptic and true believer. It works for anyone, anywhere any time, given like conditions. If it works here but not there, then there must necessarily exist an explanation for the failure. As with the explanation for the primary effect, this explanation must actually explain the failure and not contradict other things known to be true. The failure must be just as repeatable as the primary phenomenon. In fact, hard as this is for some to grasp, the failure must either confirm or disprove the primary hypothesis. If it does not do this then either the primary hypothesis, the failure hypothesis, or both, are ill formed and not valid.

 

[ruckusman]

Bob do you even have the smallest idea about individual physiology - it's taken into account for every single drug on the market and applies to both positive and adverse reactions, and what it means that if something doesn't work for you then it doesn't work for you, no more no less.
Absolutely nothing can be inferred, extrapolated, deduced or induced from that.

Everyone isn't like you, and that's a true blessing - your reasoning is utter rubbish - you are not the only measure of what works and what doesn't work - get over yourself

 

[CES020]

The point being that if something works then it works equally for both skeptic and true believer. It works for anyone, anywhere any time, given like conditions. If it works here but not there, then there must necessarily exist an explanation for the failure. As with the explanation for the primary effect, this explanation must actually explain the failure and not contradict other things known to be true. The failure must be just as repeatable as the primary phenomenon. In fact, hard as this is for some to grasp, the failure must either confirm or disprove the primary hypothesis. If it does not do this then either the primary hypothesis, the failure hypothesis, or both, are ill formed and not valid.

That's interesting Bob, but it couldn't be any more incorrect. If so, tell the people at the Huntsman Cancer Institute in Utah that so they can stop working on cancer treatment. I'm sure you know this, because you know everything, but they found that you can't treat cancer the same in all patients. They found what works great on one patient doesn't work at all on other patients. What they did was determine that you needed to treat every patient to their needs, not as a blanket solution. Their techniques and research are cutting edge and ground breaking and they are making great strides in helping people with cancer.

But again, I guess all that's nonsense too because you say so?

Do yourself a favor and do some research on the Huntsman Cancer Institute in Utah and see how they treat everyone different, yet get similar results in patients being treated differently. When you go there, you get your room, and they assign a research scientist to your case. That person takes samples from your cancer and goes to their lab and begins constructing a solution for you, based on your needs, instead of just saying "hit them with chemo like we do everyone else".

I guess they are all stupid and silly too. I guess I should call them and tell them to stop helping cure people with cancer because Bob says if something done the same way on different people doesn't produce the same result, then it's fake and hokey pokey.

 

[The Big Squeegee]

I went to chiro's for years. They helped a lot. I had some nerves pinched in my upper back for quite a while and chiro's were not being of any help or made it worse. Seemed surgery would be my best bet and even talked to a surgion to get it scheduled.

Decide to try traction on my own and with that all the pain is gone and has been gone for years.

What it comes down to is that doctors are mostly pill and specialist pushers and Chiro's can only help so much. Try other things like walking a mile a day. Don't put a wallet in your back pocket, it will cause more problems than enything else.

 

[Techman]

All of that which is posted in this thread both positive and negative..
Is easily said about all other professions. Especially those that deal with intangibles.
Including the value of signs, marketing, hypnotherapy, and voodoo.