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Embroidery and Graphics??? NEWBIE

Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by StitchWerks, Sep 2, 2006.

  1. StitchWerks

    StitchWerks Member

    Aug 27, 2006
    We have been a custom embroidery shop for 5 plus years and it is time to expand our business lines. Three main areas that we currently specialize in is auto racing, fire departments and small business jobs. Having lots of customers asking for heat applied transfers and looking to expand into vinyl applications. Thanks in advance for all the help and hopefully can contribute in the future. Lookiing forward to the learning curve. (I think)
    Located in Glendale, Arizona.:cool:
  2. TC49010

    TC49010 Active Member

    Jan 19, 2005
    Hello! :Welcome: to :signs101:
  3. Cadmn

    Cadmn Very Active Member

    Aug 19, 2005
    Howdee from Texas
  4. Craig Sjoquist

    Craig Sjoquist Major Contributor

    Jun 18, 2004
    welcome to this great forum and the ppl here, ....the best .....THANK YOU & ENJOY LIFE
  5. Just Another Sign Guy

    Just Another Sign Guy Very Active Member

    Jun 19, 2004
    i'm just curious do you already offer screenprinted garments as well? as that may be a more natural addition to your business.

    i sold sign and screenprinting equipment and supplies prior to starting my business (and making my escape from the family sign business) and i sold many textile screenprinting setups and embroidery setups to sign businesses, and many sign manufacturing setups (plotters, printers, cnc routers, neon plants, etc) to garment companies....it was my experience that the sign companies had a much easier time selling custom printed/embroidered garments to their customer base versus the textile companies selling signage to their existing customers...but like anything that is all in the salesmanship.

    it is a whole new ballgame, and you might want to consider building a relationship with a local sign company that will manufacture your signage for you and test your market before investing a nice chunk of hard earned money...and then you also have a new salesman of for your textile business (the sign company) as well. just another way to look at your new business direction, regardless good luck. this can be a very rewarding industry but it isnt for everyone.
  6. StitchWerks

    StitchWerks Member

    Aug 27, 2006
    We have used and will continue to use a local screen print company for the larger projects, but we are losing some business in the smaller garment imprint market such as ball jerseys and one and two color small runs for our existing base of customers. With the technology changes in transfer materials lately, a growing number of imprints are done with roll good transfer materials that are cut with the plotter/cutters. We have been subcontracting those jobs but have not been able to find the quality of service that we like. Our main use of the plotter will be for the imprint services but why not take advantage of the equipment and software to gain an additional profit center.

    We have invested in a cutter and also added sign software to the package to fill the voids in the small decal and sign niches with our current customers. The good thing is two of our three market targets love decals and t shirts (racers and firefighters). Thanks for the advice though!
  7. Techman

    Techman Major Contributor

    Jun 24, 2003
    Have you filled the void in your SIGN design skills by purchasing some good layout books?
  8. Pro Signs & Graphix

    Pro Signs & Graphix Very Active Member

    Apr 18, 2006
    Although both are considered forms of advertising - there is a night and day difference between textiles and signage. Both will carry their own inherent problems. To be involved with the garments and not be able to cut roll goods is foolish. Therefore buying the plotter was a smart thiing to do, especially for short runs and athletic goods.

    Having done both we found that in the majority of situations:

    1. Sign people do not feel that they make enough with textiles.
    2. Textile people do not feel they make enough with signage.

    Your key and focus should be on short runs. Now instead of having to sell to the customer that will only purchase 100 screened coroplast signs, you can offer the quantity of 10 or 25, etc. BUT you will see that people will try and get you to price just like the large screened quantities - something that is just NOT possible. You could also try and sell some banners. Small "quickie" signage. You will find that decals with anything other than a printer is a pain in the butt, and extremely labor intensive.

    The biggest problem that you will face is your pricing structure. The structures from textiles and signage DO NOT mix. Textiles price on pennies and quantity, whereas signage is the opposite.

    One of the biggest factors for this is the amount of money that gets invested for supplies and their shelf life. For example, you can buy a spool of thread and make a healthy margin EVEN if you do not use it all right away - it will not go bad sitting on the shelf. Even with screening, plastisol can go a long way for a little dollar amount.

    With vinyl and substrates it is a different story. Vinyl should not be sitting around for more than six months. The adhesive can become degraded (like old gun powder). To get a good price on vinyl, you need to purchase 50 yard rolls. If you do not use that amount, it ends up in the trash - money down the drain. Stocked banners have a tendency to get trashed over time, etc. etc.

    This is the biggest misconception regarding signage. People see the gross profit margin and assume that is net - far from it.

    Okay - now we have told you some of the differences.

    What plotter did you buy?
    What software are you using?
    (Put this in your profile as it will help later when you run across problems).
    Have you ever applied vinyl before?
    What quantity do you consider to be short runs?
    Do you have your heat press yet? (If so, what size? If not look for a name brand 16x20 like a Hix)
    Have you purchased any books in regards to signage?
    Have you calculated any of your pricing yet?

    These answers questions will help us better understand where you are.

    BTW - Dan is correct. You should look into the screening. That will close the gap between your embroidered garments and your cut roll goods - there are very healthy margins in short run screening.

    Hope this helps.
  9. Pro Image

    Pro Image Major Contributor

    Nov 28, 2005
    Howdee from VA!
  10. ENTDesign

    ENTDesign Very Active Member

    May 12, 2005
  11. sandblast_dude

    sandblast_dude Member

    Feb 1, 2006
    Welcome to Signs101
  12. The Big Squeegee

    The Big Squeegee Major Contributor

    Oct 10, 2005
    Lawton, OK, USA

    :Welcome: to :signs101: From Oklahoma :Coffee:

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