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Suggestions Epson S80670 or S40600 or something else?

FCD

FCD

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Cyclone Print said:
We currently have a HP800 and have been having some issues with dimensional stability (amongst other things). Was thinking of trying the Epson Eco-solvent machines but the two things that worry me are the outgassing time and the scratch resistance. Are these two things really as much of a problem as some people say? Happy to leave the prints outgassing but do i need to unroll a full roll of media to do this? And with decals, do they need to be laminated to be ok for sale?
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As a long time HP user, the Epson eco-solvent is hard to beat. Everything about it is better than our HP’s except for the wait time to lam. For most graphics we wait at least 3-4 hours to lam depending on ink coverage. We’ve laminated in as little as an hour and haven’t had issues. Ink isn’t quite as scratch resistant as the hp ink, but does just fine on banners. We always laminate decals, so I can’t speak on those. We outgas full rolls by loosely unwinding the roll around the core to where there is a little space between the layers, it’s pretty simple to do. For wraps, eco-solvent ink beats latex ink hands down, no comparison. Way easier to stretch and easier to conform to curves.
 
marsuni

marsuni

Unitype-GR
Cyclone Print said:
We currently have a HP800 and have been having some issues with dimensional stability (amongst other things). Was thinking of trying the Epson Eco-solvent machines but the two things that worry me are the outgassing time and the scratch resistance. Are these two things really as much of a problem as some people say? Happy to leave the prints outgassing but do i need to unroll a full roll of media to do this? And with decals, do they need to be laminated to be ok for sale?
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If you laminate your Jobs, there is no fear of scratching. The quality and consistency of Epson S80 is unbeatable and the outgassing is excellent.
We, here in Greece, Print - Laminate and Wrap a whole vehicle the same day, with no problems since 2018 we had the first s80 on Arlon SLX cast.
 
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Rohit Prasad

WWW.COMPASSCOLOR.COM
whatsinaname said:
How big is the difference in print quality and the color gamut between the Epson S40600 and the Epson S80670? has anyone ever printed the same design on both the printers and seen a major difference in the color and sharpness?

I am on the fence to buy an Epson SC series eco-solvent printers. But the S80 series is double the cost of an S40 here in my region. My main job would be to print high resolution decals and stickers etc. Colors and print sharpness would be a priority for us.

So should I go with the Epson S80670 or S40600 or something else as my first printer?
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The epson s40 printer is one of the best on the market. We’ve retired 3 s30 series and currently have 2 s40’s amongst other types of uv technologies. S40 is the easiest to run and maintain. Pms colors 99% accurate. We have never had any issues in 12+ years with epson. Wish they made a 10’ uv hybrid.
 
jfiscus

jfiscus

Rap Master
whatsinaname said:
Even if laminated?
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Nah, I mean they are supposed to last a while, but we had a 10-color that had BAD fading issues and Epson basically just said "those aren't warranted, sorry". We went with the dual CMYK heads and haven't had any issues since.
 
WrapSolutions

WrapSolutions

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FCD said:
As a long time HP user, the Epson eco-solvent is hard to beat. Everything about it is better than our HP’s except for the wait time to lam. For most graphics we wait at least 3-4 hours to lam depending on ink coverage. We’ve laminated in as little as an hour and haven’t had issues. Ink isn’t quite as scratch resistant as the hp ink, but does just fine on banners. We always laminate decals, so I can’t speak on those. We outgas full rolls by loosely unwinding the roll around the core to where there is a little space between the layers, it’s pretty simple to do. For wraps, eco-solvent ink beats latex ink hands down, no comparison. Way easier to stretch and easier to conform to curves.
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We've been experiencing some "tacky-ness" to our prints off this Epson and when speaking to Avery Dennison (we use 1105) they suggested "Unfortunately the only way to truly provide good airflow for these inks to properly outgas is to unwind these panels away from the large full roll.". To me this seems ludicris for the amount of volume we do, but I'd love to hear more details about your "out-gasing unwinding process". Is there any more insight you could provide?
 
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GSM903

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ProColorGraphics said:
If you want to wait until next year, you can get the new one coming out.

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That is cool!
We have a s80600, green ink would be awesome to add in there
 
WrapSolutions

WrapSolutions

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GSM903 said:
That is cool!
We have a s80600, green ink would be awesome to add in there
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Unfortunately we cannot wait until 2025. Although that sounds great, but where are the details pertaining to a decreased outgas time? And/or any other printer details.
 
Signed Out

Signed Out

New Member
jfiscus said:
Nah, I mean they are supposed to last a while, but we had a 10-color that had BAD fading issues and Epson basically just said "those aren't warranted, sorry". We went with the dual CMYK heads and haven't had any issues since.
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So were your issues on a s70 or s80? The s70 was known to have issue with the orange ink I believe. I've not seen any fading issues with s80 prints since 2019.
 
Saturn

Saturn

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GSM903 said:
That is cool!
We have a s80600, green ink would be awesome to add in there
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Can't quite tell if it'll be the true 80600 upgrade from the photos. Doesn't quite look as beefy, and also looks like a 40-50" inch instead of the full 63"? If it is as well built, I'd be all about the added green and smaller size though. Hopefully we hear more in the next few months.
 
jfiscus

jfiscus

Rap Master
Signed Out said:
So were your issues on a s70 or s80? The s70 was known to have issue with the orange ink I believe. I've not seen any fading issues with s80 prints since 2019.
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Our issues were with the S70, and after Epson just said "sorry, non-cmyk inks are not warranted" we decided to never get non-cmyk ink printers again. Have not missed the extra inks any at all and we print a LOT of stuff.
 
Saturn

Saturn

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Yeah, I don't think they were particularly hard to replace to begin with, but...

Under good conditions you could go 3-5+ years without needing to replace them on current models, so having them suddenly become "user replaceable" makes me not trust that the new ones will have the same longevity/durability. I mean, it's a pro, but is it also a con... ?

Still, if it looks like they're as problem free as my 80600, I'd totally be looking to upgrade or add one in the next 12+months. Sadly I think the "sleek form factor" still means 600-700 lbs. ;p
 
White Haus

White Haus

Not a Newbie
Saturn said:
Yeah, I don't think they were particularly hard to replace to begin with, but...

Under good conditions you could go 3-5+ years without needing to replace them on current models, so having them suddenly become "user replaceable" makes me not trust that the new ones will have the same longevity/durability. I mean, it's a pro, but is it also a con... ?

Still, if it looks like they're as problem free as my 80600, I'd totally be looking to upgrade or add one in the next 12+months. Sadly I think the "sleek form factor" still means 600-700 lbs. ;p
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That's what I was wondering, if they're going to make them disposable/consumable like HP or make them just as durable but easier to replace. (I also haven't read the article about it so they may address those issues)
 
jfiscus

jfiscus

Rap Master
They are not disposable OR cheap to replace; it is one large head with all of those channels/nozzles, so when you lose just a few nozzles it's toast. But - "you can do it yourself", lol. Get ready to go through expensive heads. They're also ONLY available in this configuration, not the dual CMYK head(S) like the S60600 has currently. I saw one at PrintingUnited last week and was like, wow, that's what's new? The salesguy was all excited to tell me about it, and I shot it all down... Don't buy the hype, stick with S60600 for now.
 
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