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Fast Signs

midnightmadman

New Member
Hi Guys. I'v been out to a LOT of businesses trying to drum up some work in the last month. Almost every single one of them told me they use Fast Signs for all there signage. How much less are their prices compared to the competitive real sign shop prices? I am a little worried that they are cutting everyones throat. And I don't want to do the same.. what should I do?
 

UFB Fabrication

New Member
I have seen different Fast signs and some are very small and some have a full service shop with big cranes and bucket trucks. The ones I have seen or worked with have nice store front locations. They also have to pay franchise fees. They have a pretty good business model.

Funny thing is the Fastsigns I do work for say how cheap the other guy is. I guess the old saying "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" works in this case as well.
 

Mosh

New Member
The ones I have seen are not the cheapest. they do fast work, that will trump
low price alot of the time. Thus the name "Fast Signs"
 
the fastsigns franchise does the best marketing i have seen as far as franchise shops go. some of the franchises do very little to support their franchisees once they have them as a part of their organization...in my opinion.

regarding their prices. do some recon work and find out of you are competitive or not as far as pricing.
 

Fred Weiss

Merchant Member
I'd have to agree with UFB. The Fast Signs shops that I know compete very well on a lot of levels with advertising, referrals, salesmanship, in-store displays, training, product testing and development, etc. They deliver well made work on time and efficiently.

In my area, one guy owns several stores. He had an Arizona printer cranking out solvent printing and seven figure sales volume back in the day when everybody else was just cutting vinyl. They've never been known as price cutters.
 

synergy_jim

New Member
Stop in your local Fast Signs and play dumb for a while.... I went to mine talking like a surfer boy and telling them I was in a band. We needed banners, decals, and some hand out materials.... I learned all I needed to know about their pricing.
 

Rick

Certified Enneadecagon Designer
I'm thinking they go to Fastsigns because advertising and the franchise model may be working...

I worked for a Fastsigns for a while, was not impressed with that store, but I have been in a few Fastsigns and Signaramas that were very impressive.
 

Mikeifg

New Member
Worked for one too. had a micro manager that wanted to do it all. A real pita took customer designs designed them and gave them to the real designer to just cut. Really pissed the desgner off and the designs were horrible I had more qualifications to run the place and started there as a salesman in between my job as a graphics insaller. Quit once istallspicked up. Also not impressed with how there run. A good sign shop should be able to compete it's all in the marketing.
 

Techman

New Member
should be able to compete it's all in the marketing.

And that just about sums it all up. Marketing is the key. Once we learn some marketing we can do anything and get paid well.
 

Craig Sjoquist

New Member
What posts I've read and the Fast signs seen in my neck of the woods also ....
I'd say ..buck up, get in gear, if ya wanna run with the big dogs

Well now I'd also do is get some price checks from them, find out what they do well at, what they do not do and or not so well at

Then go after it, most definitely improve my layout/design /service /sales quality's
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
As everyone has mentioned.... maybe their quality and expertise says more to the customer than the other shops in your area. Not everyone bases their business on undercutting or lowballing.

Times are tough right now, but that's not an excuse to sell for less. That's the time to do what you're doing..... pounding the pavements and use other marketing strategies, but most of all..... present yourself as professional and totally capable of meeting their needs at a fair price.

Be honest and tell them you want their business and will show them improvement on quality and perhaps save them some costs, but only if you can do what you say you're gonna do.

Don't pretend. Customers see right through that crap.
 

BrianKE

New Member
I have done the mystery shopper call on many sign shops over the last 20 years, both franchised and independent, and rarely if ever find a franchise shop undercutting anyone. Most often they are right in the middle. One reason a franchise would be reluctant to undercut others is because the owners have to make a major outlay of capital before they can even open their doors, over $100K in 1990 when my parents opened their store. Also, the corporate headquarters get a franchise fee of about 15% (or thereabouts up to a set maximum limit) so right there is something a franchise has to add to their costs on top of all the other operating and material costs.

When I was 19 I helped my parents start a franchise sign shop and I think the biggest 'advantage' any franchise has, whether it be a sign shop, a restaurant or a retail store, is simply brand recognition. Think about what you do during the day and ask yourself "How many stores, restaurants, etc. do I go to that are not a franchise?" You do this because you are not willing to risk your money on something you are unfamiliar with. It is not until you have confidence in a store or some other reason (i.e., specials that are being run) that you will do business with it.

One point of branding is to install confidence in the consumer that what I am buying is of a certain quality without having ever experienced it. As a franchise you have a national brand and therefore are perceived as more of a professional establishment.

Case in point, when I went to California for the first time I was with a salesman and we stopped for lunch at a Jack-In-The-Box. Having never even heard of JITB I would never have stopped there had it not been for the salesman I was with, I had never heard of JITB and had no idea if the food was good or not. I would have gone to McD's, BK, Subway, etc., something I was familiar with and had some brand recognition with me.

Having gone through the setup of a franchise sign shop (not FastSigns however) I know one of FastSigns key marketing tools is print and TV advertising, where the franchise I trained under was more about cold calls and personal introductions. Both have the up/downs but when it comes to a first time buyer I would probably think of FastSigns having seen their ads on TV.

The truth of the matter however is that each sign shop is only as good as those working behind the counter. As with every business no amount of advertising or specials or anything else can override the value one derives from the quality of service or product. I am very happy with BestBuy and its service and return policy and as such am willing to pay a little more than say a Sears or HH Gregg.

All that being said (whew, that was a lot) you need to determine how to get your message out to those that are unfamiliar with you. When I started my own sign shop I worked hard at getting out door to door and introducing myself in person. I believe that I have a good personality and can make a good impression on a potential customer. This is not a high pressured sales call but rather just an introduction to give the potential client my information, a 5x8 printed intro card listing my services and a business card. It is rare that anyone needs anything when I first call on them but often they will remember someone that took the time to come to there place of business personally versus some ad they see on TV. I also get the point of contact and will call them every few months just to remind them about me and see if there is anything I can do for them.

I also offer referral bonuses to clients who refer someone to me. Most importantly (at least I think) is that I routinely contact my existing customers via personal phone call, personal visit or mass emailing. Once I get a customer to try me once I do everything I can think of to keep them.

(Please don't take the following as me saying FastSigns is better as I have no idea of the quality of work on either yours or their end.)

And after doing all that it may just be that the competitor is simply better than you. It is very difficult to honestly critique yourself when it comes to this matter. This is probably the hardest thing to quantify even from feedback as often times a customer is uncomfortable giving honest critique. Instead they may just go elsewhere and never tell you why. I once asked, via mass email, for my customers to provide a review of my services and unfortunately did not get many responses and those that did were all positive so I don't put a lot of confidence in the accuracy of the poll.
 

UFB Fabrication

New Member
I will also say that I have seen some of the franchise shops and they did nothing but make sign shops look bad. They lasted less than a year. They are not all equal in level of quality. Just because you saved all your hard earned money from being a tooth brush salesman and had the money to buy into a franchise does not make you a sign shop owner. Or any other small business owner either.
 

Dice

New Member
I don't think I've ever heard of fast signs being cheap or under cutting prices. They all have to pay their franchise fees. I think it's like 7% of revenue. Revenue, not profits from what I heard. So realistically you could be 7% cheaper than them.
 

WrapperX

New Member
Brand recognition - people see and "know" Fast Signs, SignOrama, etc. They assume b/c its a big company/franchise that they "know signs." Its about you getting out there and showing customers that you are just as good and better then some corporate identity. I think customers want and respect quality and reliablity. When that is earned, prices are not as much of a factor.
 

gnemmas

New Member
Had a building one block from a FS that our tenant moved out, so we put a show room and a box truck with our ad on it.

Quite a few people walked in looking for FS, some weren't even aware that they are in the wrong place. We were able convert about 50% of them. One area we can't is the corporate account, which I believe is their strong suit.
 

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mark galoob

New Member
fast signs have an unbelievable internet presence. google sign shop in any major city and see what comes up first on google map...in fort worth, they are not only first but have other spots as well...they spend BIG bucks on seo...

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Mosh

New Member
The nearest Fast Signs is 65 miles from me and they still are above my shop on a google search. All about the store front. Since we sold off our production screen operation we are looking into putting in a UPS Store type of place. A great storefront can generate alot of small one off jobs.
 
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