Grain in colors.

[altereddezignz]

So i have been getting a massive amount of help from a forum member her but this has both of us kinda stumped. So the printer had new lines, new dampers, head did a 3 day soak and then cleaned and flushed through the head both ways.
My colors all seem to have grain. No matter the material. 720x1440 on Avery 1005ez and Ora 3165. Black seems to be the worst.
Nozzle checks all look good i can post a pic if need be.
Another head soak has been done and 1 of each CMYK square of 10x10 was printed in 1440x1440. Still some grain but the 1440x1440 has horizontal lines in it like banding.

Black was set to 60/60/60/100 and all other were set to 100% each color. Yellow looks as it has small specks of magenta in it. Magenta may have small specks of light black possibly.
Cyan looks good just a little banding.

The first pic of the x is on a tailgate created in illustrator at 60/60/60/100 and saves as .esp. Opened in illustrator and printed on avery 1005ez rs using that profile and 720x1440 res.

The 4 color blocks were 1440x1440 on ora 3165 using that profile and quality 2. Black is same 60/60/60/100 but these were created in flexi and printed from there.
The 4 blocks also i attached pictures of the temps and head temp.

 

[altereddezignz]

None of the prints are laminated.

 

[J Hill Designs]

have you tried different profiles (like generic etc)

 

[altereddezignz]

have you tried different profiles (like generic etc)

Only 2 profiles i have printed with so far are the ora 3165 and the avery 1005ez profiles. They both produce the same result. I can try just a random one and see what that does. I didnt try it simply b/c i tried the 2 when printing on the different media and it came out the same. The X is on 1005 and the others are 3165 but the 3165 is in 1440x1440 the X is 720x1440

 

[altereddezignz]

have you tried different profiles (like generic etc)

Im not against trying anything at this point lol

 

[P Wagner]

Try disabling color management in your RIP and send the CMYK rectangle job again after re-processing it.

Some RIPs also have a function called Preserve Pure Hues which can be enabled. This will send straight CMYK values to the printer without conversions when outputting those color only (for example pure Cyan with a build of 100,0,0,0).

 

[altereddezignz]

Try disabling color management in your RIP and send the CMYK rectangle job again after re-processing it.

Some RIPs also have a function called Preserve Pure Hues which can be enabled. This will send straight CMYK values to the printer without conversions when outputting those color only (for example pure Cyan with a build of 100,0,0,0).

I am using flexi 12 cloud. Basically set it to no color correction but leave the type of material in the media box this way it keeps the temp settings?
Image included.

I couldnt find anything about the preserve pure hues.

 

[P Wagner]

I am using flexi 12 cloud. Basically set it to no color correction but leave the type of material in the media box this way it keeps the temp settings?
Image included.

I couldnt find anything about the preserve pure hues.

That screen is a FlexiSIGN dialog. Send the job in a Hold State to Production Manager, and then open the Job Settings dialog in PM. I have not worked with the SAi RIP since version 10, but at that time it had the ability to disable color management and enable Pure Hues in PM.

 

[altereddezignz]

That screen is a FlexiSIGN dialog. Send the job in a Hold State to Production Manager, and then open the Job Settings dialog in PM. I have not worked with the SAi RIP since version 10, but at that time it had the ability to disable color management and enable Pure Hues in PM.

Mine does not hold the print. It processes it and rips then prints automatically. It is set to hold also?
Pics below from PM. Also when i go to print from Fexi it tells me that the settings are different as in the profile and suck so i select use print and rip not PM.

 

[J Hill Designs]

if you are designing in illy, there is no need to bring it in to flexi before prod mgr. drag file directly into PM and work with it. you might be messing up your input profile by bringing it into flexi

 

[P Wagner]

if you are designing in illy, there is no need to bring it in to flexi before prod mgr. drag file directly into PM and work with it. you might be messing up your input profile by bringing it into flexi

+ 1

 

[altereddezignz]

The color blocks were directly made in flexi illustrator was not even involved so i eliminated a possible issue step for this test purpose.
All my prints and cuts go to the hold area once they run but it starts automatically. That and i am not sure how to create the contour cuts yet from illy when not using flexi.

Thats at another time lol. Right now working issue by issue.

 

[P Wagner]

Don't ever say that I never gave you anything, (lol).

Download this PDF file, and bring it directly into the Production Manager app, bypassing FlexiSIGN altogether. Once there, look to disable all color management and print the file. If you execute these steps, there should be no second color dots in the bands, ie only Cyan in the top, only Magenta in the second, etc.

 

[altereddezignz]

Don't ever say that I never give you anything, (lol).

Download this PDF file, and bring it directly into the Production Manager app, bypassing FlexiSIGN altogether. Once there, look to disable all color management and print the file. If you did these steps, there should be no second color dots in the bands, ie only Cyan in the top, only Magenta in the second, etc.

HAHA thank you for the file....

I guess i can go ahead and disable color management prior to dragging file in?
When i print files from flexi they process and start printing automatically. Not sure how the drag and drop does it may hold it there i dont know.

 

[J Hill Designs]

when you drag and drop directly into PM it wont RIP until you tell it to - so drag it in, then change the pref's by clicking that file and changing them.

 

[altereddezignz]

So printed by dragging into pm. Left color correction off and left heaters on. Printed way way way to thick. Pic attacked. I am.now printing same way but with profile and found pure hue. Turned it on.
So just printed it with the profile on and black looks good so does the magenta and yellow but blue has lines or bad banding in it. So I saved the same type of eps file and drug it into pm with same setting. It printed a lot slower and didn't look as good. So pulled the file u sent me back n and printed again and this time all looked good no lines n cyan but only cyan has grain.

Last image is odd tho. I moved the paper out to look at print and then cmaceled the print but it made one long swioe and out down that wide of a bath at one time instead of the really small path like normal?

 

[altereddezignz]

Ok ill simplify this a little.


Image 1 and 3 is a simple cmyk blocks i made in illustrator and did a 60/60/60/100 mix on black. The black is really grainy, magenta and yellow look ok but the blue has banding and grain,.


Image 2 is the file Castek Resources sent me opened directly in PM changed settings to use the media profile and print with pure hue all on for all colors. Colors look amazing. Black looks good, yello, magenta look great but cyan have lines and banding.


Image 4 is printed the same way as image 2. Open in Pm direcly and change to profile and leave all setting the same just select pure hue for all colors.


Here is the odd one. Normally when i watch the image print it prints very small lines at a time and moves up the paper printing. I paused the print and moved the media so that i could look at it. I was done so i canceled the print and it made one pas and made this very wide faint print in one pass all in one movement. Anyone know what it would make a pass this wide when normally it makes a small pass..


So for some reason the same type of file you gave me if i save it as an eps and open it in pm manager the colors are no as good and still grainy. No matter how i open the image and how the image is created or saved my cyan is grainy.


Castek Resources can you give me some information in this file. How and what program was it created in?


Also should i be saving all my files as a .pdf before directly opening them in PM manager if i do not make them in flexi.


I make most simply things in flexi just bc i can do the contour cut in flexi since i do not know how to create the cut lines in illustrator correctly yet.


Anyone know how to get flexi to get colors to print correctly haha. This would be the simplest......

 

[player]

I want to see a nozzle test print.

 

[altereddezignz]

OK I'll do one n the morning but the last 10 I have done have looked good. Steps like it shouldand no missing nozzles. I also did a head alignment test and along with angles tests and of tests and all were good.

 

[P Wagner]

The PDF was created using Adobe Illustrator CS6.

I strongly suspect that you have some number of deflected or misdirected nozzles in the Cyan channels, but the only way to verify or refute this is to review the Nozzle Test print that is generated from the printer's control panel. It is always the starting place with diagnosing horizontal banding artifacts. Please post as clear an image of this test print as possible (all colors), and we'll go from there.