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Kilroy was here !

Si Allen

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Kilroy was here.

A bit of trivia - even if you never heard of Kilroy before.

For the WWII generation, this will bring back memories. For you younger folks, it's a bit of trivia that is a part of our American history. Anyone born in 1913 to about 1950, is familiar with Kilroy. We didn't know why, but we had lapel pins with his nose hanging over the label and the top of his face above his nose with his hands hanging over the label. No one knew why he was so well known, but we all joined in!


So who the heck was Kilroy?

In 1946 the American Transit Association, through its radio program, "Speak to America ," sponsored a nationwide contest to find the real Kilroy, offering a prize of a real trolley car to the person who could prove himself to be the genuine article. Almost 40 men stepped forward to make that claim, but only James Kilroy from Halifax , Massachusetts , had evidence of his identity.

Kilroy was a 46-year old shipyard worker during the war who worked as a checker at the Fore River Shipyard in Quincy . His job was to go around and check on the number of rivets completed. Riveters were on piecework and got paid by the rivet. He would count a block of rivets and put a check mark in semi-waxed lumber chalk, so the rivets wouldn't be counted twice. When Kilroy went off duty, the riveters would erase the mark. Later on, an off-shift inspector would come through and count the rivets a second time, resulting in double pay for the riveters.

One day Kilroy's boss called him into his office. The foreman was upset about all the wages being paid to riveters, and asked him to investigate. It was then he realized what had been going on. The tight spaces he had to crawl in to check the rivets didn't lend themselves to lugging around a paint can and brush, so Kilroy decided to stick with the waxy chalk. He continued to put his checkmark on each job he inspected, but added KILROY WAS HERE in king-sized letters next to the check, and eventually added the sketch of the chap with the long nose peering over the fence and that became part of the Kilroy message. Once he did that, the riveters stopped trying to wipe away his marks. Ordinarily the rivets and chalk marks would have been covered up with paint. With the war on, however, ships were leaving the Quincy Yard so fast that there wasn't time to paint them. As a result, Kilroy's inspection "trademark" was seen by thousands of servicemen who boarded the troopships the yard produced.

His message apparently rang a bell with the servicemen, because they picked it up and spread it all over Europe and the South Pacific. Before war's end, "Kilroy" had been here, there, and everywhere on the long hauls to Berlin and Tokyo . To the troops outbound in those ships, however, he was a complete mystery; all they knew for sure was that someone named Kilroy had "been there first." As a joke, U.S. servicemen began placing the graffiti wherever they landed, claiming it was already there when they arrived.

Kilroy became the U.S. super-GI who had always "already been" wherever GIs went. It became a challenge to place the logo in the most unlikely places imaginable (it is said to be atop Mt. Everest , the Statue of Liberty , the underside of l'Arc De Triomphe, and even scrawled in the dust on the moon.

As the war went on, the legend grew. Underwater demolition teams routinely sneaked ashore on Japanese-held islands in the Pacific to map the terrain for coming invasions by U.S. troops (and thus, presumably, were the first GI's there). On one occasion, however, they reported seeing enemy troops painting over the Kilroy logo!

In 1945, an outhouse was built for the exclusive use of Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill at the Potsdam conference. Its' first occupant was Stalin, who emerged and asked his aide (in Russian), "Who is Kilroy?"

To help prove his authenticity in 1946, James Kilroy brought along officials from the shipyard and some of the riveters. He won the trolley car, which he gave to his nine children as a Christmas gift and set it up as a playhouse in the Kilroy front yard in Halifax , Massachusetts ..

So, now you know.
 

Techman

New Member
When I was a kid Kilroy was already every where. We as kids often dew the icon ourselves onto anything and every thing. I still see his icon around old buildings here. Wow, this a bit of folklore.
 

Perks

New Member
My father Freddy Perkins who was a 4 Year WWII Army Coast Artillary Vet in the South Pacific, use to always use the 'Kilroy Was Here' expression.

My wife Annita and I first met across from the Quincy Shipyard at the The Yard Rock Blues Venue:U Rock:, also know as Joe's Pub.
 

Fatboy

New Member
I remember lying in my bed as a little boy one Sunday evening and listening to the exact explanation on the radio.Thanks for sharing
 

Suz

New Member
Neat! In my high school days, I remember seeing it on school yearbooks and also embroidered on blue jeans. Now I know what it means. My hubby is almost a decade older than me and he knew something about Kilroy but didn't tell me the entire story. Thanks for sharing!
 

oldgoatroper

Roper of Goats. Old ones.
Kilroy was here.

A bit of trivia - even if you never heard of Kilroy before.

For the WWII generation, this will bring back memories. For you younger folks, it's a bit of trivia that is a part of our American history. Anyone born in 1913 to about 1950, is familiar with Kilroy. We didn't know why, but we had lapel pins with his nose hanging over the label and the top of his face above his nose with his hands hanging over the label. No one knew why he was so well known, but we all joined in!


So who the heck was Kilroy?

...<snip>...

So, now you know.

Cool. Do you have a link to where this came from?
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Since I was a kid.... I've been leaving his mark everywhere. we all did it. I knew about the war part, but I didn't know about the riveter's wages and proof part. I just thought they stamped it on the stuff as it went overseas.

Neat story...... and now......................... I know the rest of the story................. in my Paul Harvey voice
 

Fatboy

New Member
Since I was a kid.... I've been leaving his mark everywhere. we all did it. I knew about the war part, but I didn't know about the riveter's wages and proof part. I just thought they stamped it on the stuff as it went overseas.

Neat story...... and now......................... I know the rest of the story................. in my Paul Harvey voice

Gino what happened to your post count? Thought it was 23000 ?
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
I have no idea of where it was at or what's going on, but it looks rather in tact to me. If you're really worried about it, call Fred and ask him why he's messin' with my numbers ?? :Big Laugh

23,000 don't think it was that high.... maybe you are, but not my count.................................
 

SD&F

New Member
My father in law....who is a great and quite interesting man flew THE HUMP in WWII and tells me so many stories. I see things differently because of him and I vaguely remember Kilroy, so I'm gonna ask him this weekend. THANX
 
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