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Oracal 651 problems

Discussion in 'Vinyl' started by Unitedhbn, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. Unitedhbn

    Unitedhbn New Member

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    I have a complaint regarding Oracal 651. I've been using this media for 3 years now and just recently I noticed that something has changed. The media doesn't seem to be as strong and durable anymore. It creases really easy and it can barely support it's own weight without damaging itself. What I mean is the pre-feed or slack that you feed out for the media when you attempt to plot large jobs. No matter what I do the media cannot handle the weight of itself hanging out the back of the machine. The weight of itself causes stress marks on the media starting from the middle then out to the sides the longer it sits in that position. These stress marks later end up ruining the next cut because the stress marks prevent the media from feeding properly. They also cause the media to crease and fold in the wrong areas and ruin any cut I attempt to run on this part of the media.

    All the older rolls of Oracle 651 that I purchased a few years ago do not have this feeding problem. These rolls have been sitting in my office for 2 years. It's not my environment either. I have a Graphtec FC8000-130 which does a great job of feeding media properly as long as it's not Oracel 651. I tried running it on my Roland VS640 and the problem is even worse only because Roland doesn't have the best feeding set-up on that particular model.

    Is anyone else experiencing this??

    Sincerely,
    Shane
     
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  2. amw

    amw Member

    We have the same plotter, and use oracal just about exclusivly.
    We have this prob only on rolls that have been sitting a while.
    Ours are in temp/RH controled areas also....

    We have always just figured it was age.
    We dont get the marks in the vinly though...just dosent runt through like a newer roll.
    Prob didnt help you any.

    Marsha
     
  3. Unitedhbn

    Unitedhbn New Member

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    It can't be age unless Fellers has had these rolls sitting in their warehouse for a over a year. Fellers brags about having fresher media because they sell more. I just have a hard time believe that it's old media. As I said in my message above I have several rolls of 651 (the colors that don't get used much) that has been in my office for 2 years and every roll of that 651 feeds perfect. The stuff I'm having problems with is the new rolls I get them them in the more popular colors such as black, white and brown. The black Oracle 651 appears to the worse of these problems.

    Sincerely,
    Shane

    I'd really like to know how many people are having this same problem.

    Sincerely,
    Shane
     
  4. 401Graphics

    401Graphics Very Active Member

    i also have the same cutter, and use lots of 651 and dont have any problems with old or new rolls
     
  5. OlsonSigns601

    OlsonSigns601 Member

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    Same Here: Same Cutter, never had anything like what you described.

    Come to mention it: Never even had a bad roll of 651 before.
     
  6. ICeMAnAbk

    ICeMAnAbk Member

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    That's bc they don't exist! ;)

    I used it for 7 years. no issues.

    would you please put up a picture of the problem?
     
  7. JoshLoring

    JoshLoring Very Active Member

    It has to be a bad roll. Never had that problem. Pics would help..
     
  8. SamFeatherston

    SamFeatherston New Member

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    Have you contacted Oracal Tech Support?

    Please have the Lot # off the back liner. This will help diagnose the issue.
     
  9. Pro Image

    Pro Image Major Contributor

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    i just got 5 new 50 yrd rolls in today and cut about 100ft of 30in black and it was perfect.....Ordered from Fellers.....I have a different cutter than you have but it cuts well on all 3 cutters that I have....
     
  10. royster13

    royster13 Very Active Member

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    Never any problems with 651 black here....
     
  11. g&eprinting

    g&eprinting Member

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    Is this 3m trying to smash back. Just kidding. Pics will help though.
    Bought a ton of 651 5 plus years ago doing fleets and still have some of it and it still works great.

    It did shrink a tiny bit but the new rolls are cutting and weeding just the same.

    I keep that stocked in the most popular colors.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2012
  12. tomence

    tomence Very Active Member

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    I buy lots and lots of 651 and never had a problem, this is my main vinyl for the 80% of my work, the other 20% is still Oracal.
     
  13. Jillbeans

    Jillbeans Major Contributor

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    I've noticed for about a year now, when cutting the 15" perforated 651, that at the end of the roll and about 8' in towards the end, that the edges wanna stick together.
    You know, where the edges are perforated, it's as if the glue seeps in a bit.
    No probs with the unpunched stuff.
    Love....Jill
     
  14. 149motorsports

    149motorsports Active Member

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    i just gave 15ft of oracal 751 black back to them as it had 2inch impressions from the tape at the end of the roll it was rolled on.
     
  15. onlinestar

    onlinestar Guest

    didn't read... but let's buy 3m everyone!
     
  16. Mosh

    Mosh Major Contributor

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    Never have a problem with 651. Fellers claim is for print media and yellowing, you need to listen more carefully!
     
  17. CanuckSigns

    CanuckSigns Very Active Member

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    i'm with Jill, only issue i've had is with 15" rolls, the last 5 yards or so stick together when going through our edge, it's never caused an issue though.

    651 is my go to intermediate vinyl, never had an issue with it.
     
  18. TXFB.INS

    TXFB.INS Very Active Member

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    we only use the 24" and have never had an issue with it
     
  19. heyskull

    heyskull Very Active Member

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    Never had an issue with 651 it's my bread and butter.
    Use about 3-400 metres of this a month and the only thing I have noticed this year is the backing sheet print is different.
    I had an issue 2 years ago with our supplier who was making out he couldn't source any 651 and as soon as I had posted this on one of the UK sign forums I had Mr Oracal in Germany call me and ask what was the problem? As their was no problem with supplies to the UK. Turned out it was my supplier trying to get me to switch to an inferior brand.

    SC
     
  20. jsmoritz2000

    jsmoritz2000 Very Active Member

    We use only Oracal in our shop and in two years I've never had a problem but we haven't ordered any new rolls of 651 in the last month or two, mostly just 751 and 951. However, I am surprised by something I just noticed in the new Oracal color chart. The old color chart (2010 or 11) says the 651 colors (black and white included) have an outdoor durability of 6 years. Now the most recent color charts I just received say the 651 has an outdoor durability of 6 years for black and white and 4 years for colored. From 6 years to 4 years...is there something going on with that vinyl? It's what we tend to use for the majority of our outdoor signs on 5 year durability substrates...probably 80% of our work or better.
     
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