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Pat Whatley

New Member
Had a customer who needed a trailer wrapped, some vehicle magnetics, yard signs and assorted other stuff done. All pretty standard stuff with the exception of a set of fold-over business cards. I don't do business cards anymore but due to the size of this order I told her I'd do them and gave her a good price on them as an incentive to get her to order everything at one time...which she did.

So...I take her deposit and her folder FULL of bad artwork, vectorize her pencil sketch of a dog, digitize her hand rendered type & get her to sign off on everything. Because of the time I knew it would take to get the artwork together she waits a week for me to get the layouts to her. She picks out PMS colors for everything, I explain we can't do an exact match but we can get reasonably close. She's pretty understanding about that.

So I order vinyl, order the prints, and get the artwork for the cards in-line for production....and that's when the wheels fall off.

She drops off the trailer, I get to work. About halfway through cutting the first color I realize something is off. Grab the PMS book and realize I ordered the wrong color and it's not close enough to just go with it.

Call her and she's understanding. Fellers has to ship the vinyl out of Oklahoma so it's another three days to get the vinyl in. She also decides to add a digital print to each side so I order the prints.

She brings the trailer back two days later.

For some reason the vinyl was adhering far more aggressively than usual. I mean as soon as the transfer tape hit it the tape itself bonded to the trailer. Even using Rapid Tac for the entire thing what should have been a two hour job took six hours. I finally got to the point where I could install the digital prints (came in that day) I'd ordered in...opened the tube and discovered the printer had sent me somebody elses order.

She picked up the trailer, I got the right prints in a couple of days later, drive an hour to her house to install them.

She calls me the following Monday complaining that the colors are WAY off. Create a color chart, send it to the printer, get it in and we picked new colors directly from the color chart so we'll know what we're getting. Printer tells me that's the best way to know what I'm getting.

Order reprints....the colors on the reprints are way off the colors on the color chart. Printer tells me "tough shit, I don't guarantee color matching." I remind the printer that I haven't paid him yet.

So I find a new printer. Meanwhile I get the business cards together. The company I normally use doesn't do fold over cards so I try a different company that I've used sporatically over the years. Well they've got a one week turn-around on fold over cards...no problem. That is until they send me an email a week after I'd sent in the order to tell me that I sent the artwork in RGB, they need CMYK. My fault, no problem, I send it back. A week later I get an email telling me that the artwork is set up as 3.675" wide...they require are at 3.66" I send the artwork back in, being anally careful to match every print spec they've got. Apparently everytime there's a problem the resubmitted art goes back in at the end of the line. A week later I call them to get a tracking number.....they tell me their slitter is down there will be a delay of a couple of days. Then I get the call that the slitter was no repaired correctly and 300 of my cards got cut in half. Tell them to overnight the remaining cards to me ($127.00) for Saturday delivery because the customer is getting pissed that it's been 7 weeks and her order still isn't complete.

Saturday morning I've got the vinyl ready, got new prints ready, and I'm sitting at FedEx waiting for them to open so I can pick up the cards. Fed Ex opens, no cards. Of course the printer is closed so I can't call them. Call the customer to let her know I'll be there to letter the trailer but the cards still hadn't come in. She went nuts and told me not to bother, she was so pissed off she didn't want us at her house that day.

Called the printers this morning, they told me there were problems but "some" of the cards will go out today for overnight delivery....almost a month after this order was first put in.

Called the customer to tell her the cards still weren't in...she very bluntly told me that if everything wasn't finished by 10:00 tomorrow when she leaves town just to cancel the whole thing.

Since I'm supposed to be the only person in the shop tomorrow that means to salvage this job I've got to be sitting at Fed Ex tomorrow morning hoping the cards are there waiting on me. Then I've got to take the cards and the trailer lettering, drive them 45 minutes to her office, finish the lettering and deliver the cards.

I'm sitting here right now debating on whether I'm better off just cutting my losses, canceling the card order, and forgetting finishing the trailer lettering. As pissed off as the woman is right now she's gonna nit-pick the snot out of the cards and the trailer, and I haven't even bothered to try and figure out what to charge her at this point.

Somedays I'd much rather be cutting grass for a living.
 
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amw

Longtime Members
Had a customer who needed a trailer wrapped, some vehicle magnetics, yard signs and assorted other stuff done. All pretty standard stuff with the exception of a set of fold-over business cards. I don't do business cards anymore but due to the size of this order I told her I'd do them and gave her a good price on them as an incentive to get her to order everything at one time...which she did.

So...I take her deposit and her folder FULL of bad artwork, vectorize her pencil sketch of a dog, digitize her hand rendered type & get her to sign off on everything. Because of the time I knew it would take to get the artwork together she waits a week for me to get the layouts to her. She picks out PMS colors for everything, I explain we can't do an exact match but we can get reasonably close. She's pretty understanding about that.

So I order vinyl, order the prints, and get the artwork for the cards in-line for production....and that's when the wheels fall off.

She drops off the trailer, I get to work. About halfway through cutting the first color I realize something is off. Grab the PMS book and realize I ordered the wrong color and it's not close enough to just go with it.

Call her and she's understanding. Fellers has to ship the vinyl out of Oklahoma so it's another three days to get the vinyl in. She also decides to add a digital print to each side so I order the prints.

She brings the trailer back two days later.

For some reason the vinyl was adhering far more aggressively than usual. I mean as soon as the transfer tape hit it the tape itself bonded to the trailer. Even using Rapid Tac for the entire thing what should have been a two hour job took six hours. I finally got to the point where I could install the digital prints (came in that day) I'd ordered in...opened the tube and discovered the printer had sent me somebody elses order.

She picked up the trailer, I got the right prints in a couple of days later, drive an hour to her house to install them.

She calls me the following Monday complaining that the colors are WAY off. Create a color chart, send it to the printer, get it in and we picked new colors directly from the color chart so we'll know what we're getting. Printer tells me that's the best way to know what I'm getting.

Order reprints....the colors on the reprints are way off the colors on the color chart. Printer tells me "tough shit, I don't guarantee color matching." I remind the printer that I haven't paid him yet.

So I find a new printer. Meanwhile I get the business cards together. The company I normally use doesn't do fold over cards so I try a different company that I've used sporatically over the years. Well they've got a one week turn-around on fold over cards...no problem. That is until they send me an email a week after I'd sent in the order to tell me that I sent the artwork in RGB, they need CMYK. My fault, no problem, I send it back. A week later I get an email telling me that the artwork is set up as 3.675" wide...they require are at 3.66" I send the artwork back in, being anally careful to match every print spec they've got. Apparently everytime there's a problem the resubmitted art goes back in at the end of the line. A week later I call them to get a tracking number.....they tell me their slitter is down there will be a delay of a couple of days. Then I get the call that the slitter was no repaired correctly and 300 of my cards got cut in half. Tell them to overnight the remaining cards to me ($127.00) for Saturday delivery because the customer is getting pissed that it's been 7 weeks and her order still isn't complete.

Saturday morning I've got the vinyl ready, got new prints ready, and I'm sitting at FedEx waiting for them to open so I can pick up the cards. Fed Ex opens, no cards. Of course the printer is closed so I can't call them. Call the customer to let her know I'll be there to letter the trailer but the cards still hadn't come in. She went nuts and told me not to bother, she was so pissed off she didn't want us at her house that day.

Called the printers this morning, they told me there were problems but "some" of the cards will go out today for overnight delivery....almost a month after this order was first put in.

Called the customer to tell her the cards still weren't in...she very bluntly told me that if everything wasn't finished by 10:00 tomorrow when she leaves town just to cancel the whole thing.

Since I'm supposed to be the only person in the shop tomorrow that means to salvage this job I've got to be sitting at Fed Ex tomorrow morning hoping the cards are there waiting on me. Then I've got to take the cards and the trailer lettering, drive them 45 minutes to her office, finish the lettering and deliver the cards.

I'm sitting here right now debating on whether I'm better off just cutting my losses, canceling the card order, and forgetting finishing the trailer lettering. As pissed off as the woman is right now she's gonna nit-pick the snot out of the cards and the trailer, and I haven't even bothered to try and figure out what to charge her at this point.

Somedays I'd much rather be cutting grass for a living.

Wow is all i can say! :banghead:
And we used to own a lawn/landscape company years ago...and that has its own issues!! lol

Marsha
 

Pat Whatley

New Member
Yeah, I know. It just sucks that this was all gonna be a pretty simple job with a pretty nice profit to a job taking three times the work, 10 times the frustration, and I'm not even sure I can break even on it at this point.

It could be worse....I could be replacing $1 million in wayfinding signs because I forgot to pull the protective sheeting off the aluminum.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Tough one. I can sympathize with ya bro', but I can understand her feelings at the same time. Seems that no matter how hard we try sometimes, we just can't get it all done, regardless of what we're up against.

If ya don't drink, now would be a good time to start, but other than that..... I would still try to complete the job at all costs and maybe not go home tonight and possibly find a friend [another sign person] and see if they'll come over and give ya a hand.
 

Pat Whatley

New Member
Oh, I understand her feelings completely. All things considered she's been pretty understanding and patient but this has gotten ridiculous.
 

Marco

New Member
Yikes

My simpathies for sure Pat. I leave that one to someone that has the equipment to do the work in shop.:covereyes:
 

TheSnowman

New Member
Somedays I'd much rather be cutting grass for a living.
Isn't that the truth. Except, I don't wanna own the company, I just wanna sit on the mower and listen to music, and sweat doing mindless work.
 

greglauter

New Member
Wow, I've had those days... sorry to hear it. If the out of pocket costs are not astronomical, I would keep the deposit and not charge for the rest. I would also apologize and offer a decent discount the next time she places an order (if there is a next time). I hang my hat on my reputation around town and that is more important to me than a few hundred bucks. You can't make everyone happy but you should always walk away thinking you did the best you could do in that situation.

Just my 2 cents, good luck!
 

btropical.com

New Member
We just had one idiot here but you " can't please all the people all the time " , but I tell you what had a sweetheart customer for house tint last week ,, air conditioned lanai , cold beer , boom box radio , overlooking marsh and canal , and he went downstairs and said I don't want to get in your way 600 dollar job now he wants another 600 other half of the house <<<< smiley face >> dont sweat small shit its all small shit
 

CL Graphics

New Member
precisely the reason i own my own printer. if colors dont match i am the one to blame. and it dont take three weeks to reprint it. We pretty much quit messing with business cards for the same reason. If its me in your place i would get the job finished and bill what you quoted. apologize for the inconvenience and move on. chances are she aint comin back to you next time anyway.
 

threeputt

New Member
Geezus, that's quite the story. Sorry for ya. Just reading thru your experiences made me reach for the Rolaids and aspirin. We've all been there, dude. Hang in.

Rolaids, h*ll! I think Gino's idea is about where it's at. Grey Goose on the rocks tonite guy.
 

kstompaint

New Member
Must be in the stars today. I just got a call from a designer / marketing guy who we partially wrapped a truck through last week. The wrapped part is basically just a printed solid color across the bottom of a crew cab dump truck (cab only). We printed from a tiff swatch that he sent. The end customer doesn't like the color and they want me to re-do it (for free). I printed all of the files on the same material with the same profile and they only have an issue with one color (the biggest one), so I don't feel like it's on me... but I should have done a test print and had it signed off on.

At least I got them to agree to "help me out" on it by paying $100 to switch it out. The company has quite a few trucks and is always adding new ones, and the designer has other accounts that are promising. I'm eating this one with the hopes that it's beneficial in the future. Live and learn.
 

luggnut

New Member
this is a great example of the bad side of outsourcing everything!

Pat ... i thought you got a printer a while back? not trying to say anything with that statement now... , just wondering what happened to your printer purchase?
 

jasonx

New Member
Hey Pat,

Sometimes its best to tell the customer you'll get her business card artwork done for free and refer her to the printing company direct. We've started to do that and in terms of the profit you make on business cards its just not worth it.
 

Pat Whatley

New Member
Pat ... i thought you got a printer a while back? not trying to say anything with that statement now... , just wondering what happened to your printer purchase?

Still doesn't make sense for what he do. With the supplier network I've got for most of my outsourcing stuff I'm competitive with local shops carrying $500,000 in equipment.

My two standard business card printers never let me down, they just don't do fold-over cards.

My typical vinyl printers are both pretty reliable, I just randomly chose this job to try out someone new who had been trying to get our business....he didn't.

My banner printers are cheaper than most people here can do banners in-house.

We're probably still looking at buying a printer in the next couple of months but not to replace our outsourcing. I think we've found a little niche that we want to exploit and having our own printer will be required.
 

luggnut

New Member
Still doesn't make sense for what he do. With the supplier network I've got for most of my outsourcing stuff I'm competitive with local shops carrying $500,000 in equipment.

My two standard business card printers never let me down, they just don't do fold-over cards.

My typical vinyl printers are both pretty reliable, I just randomly chose this job to try out someone new who had been trying to get our business....he didn't.

My banner printers are cheaper than most people here can do banners in-house.

We're probably still looking at buying a printer in the next couple of months but not to replace our outsourcing. I think we've found a little niche that we want to exploit and having our own printer will be required.

i was just asking... after i joined this forum and read a lot of your post and realized your logic about outsourcing seemed right .. i was thinking i might should have thought it thru like you before i bought mine?

i might have a harder time finding reliable suppliers in my small town though?

good luck with this job, i hope it all works out for ya.
 
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