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Preventative maintenance (dust buildup) and how I did it.

96XP

New Member
Having gone beyond the point of annoyance from the 'whining' sound of the fans inside my Roland SC-540-EX, I decided it was time to open it up for exploration.
Being a 'refurb', I hadn't expected to find what I did. A somewhat critical accumulation of years worth of dust, build up in the fans themselves, blown across the circuitry and legs of semiconductors, not to mention an insulating 'dust jacket' buildup on a ceramic heat resistor, all in line with the flow of air from the fans (x2).

This type of neglect can result in malfunctions over time, damage to circuit boards, particularly if in high humidity situations.
So a friendly NOTE to vendors selling refurbs, please be proficient in your tasks by taking just a few Xtra minutes to do this preventative maintenance, as if the machine fails at some point, it can be COSTLY to your endeared customer.

*Please also take notice, that if you are not confident of the following procedure, call someone who is.

I rigged up a rubber/Latex hose to a vacuum cleaner attachment. This would create the necessary insulation, governed suction and flexibility required to get into tight spaces without doing harm.
**1st start by pulling the power from the machine before opening.
I use two different brushes for their individual bristle strengths.
Using both hands, I gently swept the dust into the direction of my vacuum hose, which most always followed along in front of my working path.
I also pulled one of the most heavily contaminated fans to clean up on the work bench, as there was much to do.

I was careful not to make contact with the metal from the brush with any circuits, however, had I been less confident, I'd have insulated them prior to.

Once I was visually satisfied with the results from the cleanup, I used narrow strips of carpet tape applied to heat register filters (Home Depot) and stuck them to the outside of the machine casing where the fan intakes are situated.
Coincidentally, this is the same filter procedure I use on all my computers as it prolongs the time between doing a full maintenance, as well, and for the same reasons as mentioned above. (dust kills)

Once all was done, machine closed up, I ran a print test to insure integrity. All went well :)

Attached are a few images to assist others who may some day consider doing the same.
(sorry I couldn't provide more of this simple process as my hands were already full)

As side note, I am seeking a service manual for this machine and tried to buy one from China ($10. PDF), but the PayPal checkout would not load. Can anyone here assist?
I would like to replace the two internal fans, San Ace 60 Model 109P0624H405, 24v, however, I cannot find the exact replacement and not sure what it can be substituted with based on the load rating. (see fan image is rated @ .07 A) ......which seems very low.??

Thank you for reading.
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letterman7

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I like the heat register filter idea! My printer is clean... my cutter, on the other hand, has never been opened in the 15 years I've owned it. I'm afraid to see what's in there.... :)
 

96XP

New Member
I like the heat register filter idea! My printer is clean... my cutter, on the other hand, has never been opened in the 15 years I've owned it. I'm afraid to see what's in there.... :)

I've learned over time (years) that most of the computer failures I've experienced started with a 'clogged' power supply. (dust)
Gave me time to reflect on the similarity of occurrences.
Low and behold ;)


An ounce of prevention is worth..............
 

Robert M

New Member
Cat hair

We took in a Roland on a trade from a "cat lady" whose little furry friend liked to sit on the printer on cold days and enjoy the free heat. The inside of the printer was covered in hair, the fans could hardly blow out air. We always check the inside of the printers we resell.
 

96XP

New Member
We took in a Roland on a trade from a "cat lady" whose little furry friend liked to sit on the printer on cold days and enjoy the free heat. The inside of the printer was covered in hair, the fans could hardly blow out air. We always check the inside of the printers we resell.

That's awesome Robert. It's at times as this which tells much about the company 'we' keep. It would make a good sales feature for you in the future, and hopefully the others (in time) would follow suit with integrity. Use it to your advantage.

Side note: I was too polite when my rep told me he put in all new (4) pinch rollers. Fact being, I know what color they are (when unstained and brand new) as I've ordered and done it myself on another printer. (Only 2 were replaced.)
I don't like being deceived, particularly when I take $uch good care and read as much as I do.

Keep up the great work, your savvy customers will love you and respect you for it! :)

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About fur...........arg..........
Have had to keep up with two Golden Retrievers, fur I know quite well. Lol
So I took a trip to Home Depot (once again), and rigged up my laminator to catch anything I may happen to miss or that floats through the air.
No idea what the aluminum piece is called, siding or something, though I did hand stitch together some micro fiber cloths and it has worked perfectly.
I drilled inconspicuous holes and taped in some screws with brackets on each end so it can move in and out of position.
Images attached for the imagination.

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They might not look too happy, but was near dinner time, so 'A' OK!

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In front of the machine is a modified Sono Tube (for concrete.) I roll up the prints and drop them in as it's quick. I have another on the back side, attached to the legs near the floor, and I roll long laminated print inside it to keep out kinks and conserve space. Works great.
 

Stanton

New Member
*Please also take notice, that if you are not confident of the following procedure, call someone who is.
. . .


I was careful not to make contact with the metal from the brush with any circuits, however, had I been less confident, I'd have insulated them prior to.

I like your confidence.
How would you have insulated any 'circuits' and why?




I rigged up a rubber/Latex hose to a vacuum cleaner attachment. This would create the necessary insulation, governed suction and flexibility required to get into tight spaces without doing harm.


Latex will store a tremendous amount of energy. And give that energy up freely.
Flowing air and particulates is the cause of lightning.

Once upon a time, static charge was bad.
1980's CMOS IC technology.
There was no internal capacitor clamp on the input pins.
They were screaming fast at the time.
Laughably slow now. And no longer a part of reality.

Apparently you never got the memo.

Now you can squirt a board off with a garden hose and put it through a drier cycle
with an arm load of wool socks.

Still, I would advise against a wire brush. :smile:




I would like to replace the two internal fans, San Ace 60 Model 109P0624H405, 24v, however, I cannot find the exact replacement and not sure what it can be substituted with based on the load rating. (see fan image is rated @ .07 A) ......which seems very low.??


Really?

Cooling fans are run off the bus.

ANY 24v fan with the correct footprint will work.
 

96XP

New Member
Re: How would you have insulated any 'circuits' and why?

Sorry, I previously mentioned that I used two brushes: " I was careful not to make contact with the metal from the brush with any circuits, however, had I been less confident, I'd have insulated them prior to."
To clarify, them was in reference to the metal which retain the bristles to the handle(s).

Glad that you brought up the Latex factor. They are used as insulating gloves as well, however, probably not for handling ic's.
Never scratch your head when wearing them. Lol

Re: fans
Mine run continuously 24/7 even with the power switch off. Should they? And the pitch is quite annoying and the reason I want to change them.
I'd have thought they should start up only when the system is wakened, like everything else does?
Is there a required CFM rating to be used?
 

Stanton

New Member
Re: How would you have insulated any 'circuits' and why?

Sorry, I previously mentioned that I used two brushes: " I was careful not to make contact with the metal from the brush with any circuits, however, had I been less confident, I'd have insulated them prior to."
To clarify, them was in reference to the metal which retain the bristles to the handle(s).


It is OK to not know what the hell you are talking about.
Lots of people don't know anything about stuff.

They live life proud of themselves.




Re: fans
Mine run continuously 24/7 even with the power switch off. Should they? And the pitch is quite annoying and the reason I want to change them.
I'd have thought they should start up only when the system is wakened, like everything else does?

WHAT ???

You think a different fan will know when you want it to run ?


wow.
 

96XP

New Member
When a computer goes into sleep mode, or hibernation, what do you hear? Nothing, because components are run through circuitry that turn things off when not in use.
The media vacuum (fans) don't run indefinitely either when idle, so why wouldn't or shouldn't cooling fans on an idle machine also go off? Are they always running on other machines, as I don't know the answer.
That is in essence my question, and you are using bad grammar answering a question with another.
Further, your reply is skewed and void of remedy. Can you see straight?
Your avatar is fitting, and if your motive here is to troll, your fishing the wrong waters.
 

Techman

New Member
all the word refurb means is.

The machine exterior was cleaned up a little so it looks sell-able., nothing more..
 

96XP

New Member
Refurbished
In computer technology, refurbished refers to "old" or used computer equipment that has been restored to like-new working condition and/or appearance or computer devices that have been sent back to the factory to fix a flaw. The term typically refers to the hardware components of a computer that have been either replaced with similar components or updated with newer technology than the device originally came with. Companies that lease computers will often refurbish the computers after they are turned in and resell the refurbished units, commonly referred to as refurbs, at prices lower than those of new computers and/or donate the refurbs to schools or charities.


re·store
2.to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition, as a building, statue, or painting.

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I still have the unanswered question if cooling fans on others' machines run 24/7 and if they should turn off at any point.??
 

Stanton

New Member
Your avatar is fitting, and if your motive here is to troll, your fishing the wrong waters.


Look at you being clever with words.


I hate bitches that correct others use of vernacular.
I will now make an exception.

You should type "you're" instead of "your".

But, whatever.


This is like third grade sh^t.


Not my fault you are bewildered.



You seem to know troll... do you fish?
My Avatar gives me away.


I retired at 48. 4 years ago.
Do you fish?


-Glenn
 

96XP

New Member
Glenn, your vexatious contributions aren't answering the question I posed.
However, the helpful gentleman I can be, will answer yours even though it is slightly out of context.

I have no time to fish, nor to argue, though could do both if I felt there was either A) value or B) necessity.

Now that we've crossed that bridge, let me be the first to inform you that THIS is your LUCKY DAY!

I sympathize with your feelings and can continue with you outside of here as it is unrelated to the thread.
I'll even throw in a very generous 5% discount.



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Just one last thing........do the fans run 24/7?
 

96XP

New Member
I'm posting this (audio) as I'm wondering if the irritating pitch is present in other, and or, all machines. And, is the reason I am seeking clarity if the fans must run 24/7, as well the reason I would like to change to a quieter set.
Can anyone help?

[video=youtube;CPbtnMVoSBI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbtnMVoSBI&amp;feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
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