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S80600 w/Onyx. How to print more white?

Discussion in 'Epson' started by Marshal, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. Marshal

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    I've been trying to figure out how to get my epson S80600 to put down more white under my colors. I'm printing on ij180mc-114, and I've tried everything I can think of to get it to put enough white down so the blue I'm printing on top doesn't change colors when the material is applied to a colored surface (metallic gold paint in this case).

    I'm using the profiles downloaded from epson/3M, printing 720x1440 16 pass, and in the printer settings box I've got it at 32 wh - 2L (the only option), with the ink density turned up to 400%.

    Is there anything else I can do to add more white underprint to block out the underlying color and keep my colors on top from shifting?
     
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  2. Chasez

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    You could try multi-strike on the white but I would allow for dry time on each pass. If you try to lay down too much white it will start to crack, pool, and or run.

    Chaz
     
  3. Marshal

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    How can I multi strike only the white?
     
  4. Marshal

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    I suppose I should have clarified that response. Multi strike in the settings on the printer hits every color that number of times, correct? How can I just have it do the white extra times so the color doesn't shift?
     
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    Have you visited this video from Onyx, "Tech Tip: White and Specialty Ink Tools"?

     
  6. Marshal

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    I hadn't, no. Going through those settings still doesn't give me enough white to keep the color of the part from shifting the print.
     
  7. ColorCrest

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    What does your basic Onyx control image look like printed on any material? At least one ONYX Quality Evaluation.pdf should be found in your Onyx folder(s.) That's a good place to start. Can you upload a photo of the result?

    I'm guessing you're overlooking a basic setting, such as Spot Colors ON, etc.
     
  8. Marshal

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    It's definitely printing white. Just not as much as I need. I'm sure it's possible the printer+software combo can't put down that much white the way I need it to. I'm basically getting 2 layers of white (I think), when I need about 4. On our rolands I would have set it to print white, let it dry, and then suck it back in and print again, but I don't believe that's an option on the epson.
     

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  9. ColorCrest

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    Have you visited this video from Onyx, "Application Tools: Using the ONYX Spot Layer tools for white and specialty inks"?



    Your machine will lay down all the white you're looking for in a single pass. The ink should practically dry at the platen and only cure at the next heater. Your setting of 400% ink limit is telling, and incorrect.

    Be sure to tackle your workflow and settings critically. You might consider trouble shooting with your dealer or Onyx.

    Good luck
     
  10. Signed Out

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    How did you make out improving your white output? In the same boat now.
     
  11. Marshal

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    I haven't printed a whole lot of white since then. I still never really got it to be a really bright white like I had hoped. I've mostly been using it for registration marks on dark materials, and it's worked pretty well for that.
     
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    How are you printing white reg. marks? Been having trouble with my summa reading reg marks printed on clear and laminated to gold leaf. Was wanting to be able to print white around the marks to block out the foil effect. Is this possible?
     
  13. Marshal

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    I'm talking crop marks created in Illustrator using the Summa plugin. I just change that layer to the spot color for the epson.
     
  14. jfiscus

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    What is the desired end result supposed to look like?
     
  15. Signed Out

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    Hammered gold leaf sheriffs stars with black image and text, very thin strokes for some of it. WE have always ovelaid printed clear vinyl on the gold leaf and never had a problem reading crop marks on a roland plotter. with the summa it can't read the marks this way.

    Am wondering if there is a way to print white around (and probably under) the crop marks through onyx. Thinking it's having trouble pickup up the crop marks because of how the hammered gold leaf reflects.
     
  16. Marshal

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    The ultimate goal would be to get enough white down on clear material so I can print a color and have it not change when I put it on something that's not white. Like if I'm putting a sticker on a blue truck, I want the blue of the truck to show through in places without the blue changing the color of the printed parts.

    I assume the correct way would be to adjust the color based on what it's going on, so the print looks correct once installed, but I haven't had much luck with that either.
     
  17. Signed Out

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    Sorry didn't mean to hijack thread.
     
  18. jfiscus

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    How large of decals are you talking? The white we get out of our Epson is about the same as printing onto a translucent white vinyl. It's kinda opaque but isn't a "block out" as that requires other colors and not just white, as white pigment isn't light blocking. (like block out vinyl has a gray adhesive) I'd guess that you'll be better off with something like an Edge print, but I can't see what you're after or how big you need it to be.
     
  19. 2CT Media

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    Can the Epson do 3 layer printing?

    If so you print a grey/black layer, then white layer, than color layer to have opacity.
     
  20. Marshal

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    generally smaller than 12x12.
     
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