Need Help same RGB different color

[shacho]

A customer sent me 2 files the other day and they both had colors with the same RGB values yet they printed different. The color was close to black. One printed nice and one printed super thick.

 

[Christian @ 2CT Media]

It's either the embedded icc profile they used or its your rip converting wrong due to however you have your file handling set up.

 

[shoresigns]

Yes, it's more than likely a difference in ICC profiles between the two files. If one file is sRGB and the other is Adobe RGB but the RGB colour values are exactly the same, they will print differently unless your RIP is set to ignore ICC profiles. They'll also look slightly different on-screen if you're viewing them in an app that takes ICC profiles into account, like Adobe Acrobat/Reader.

Without an ICC profile, an RGB file is uncalibrated, so the values do not refer to a precise, fixed colour. It's like saying a foot is the length of a human foot (as it used to be), versus the precise, standardized measurement that we call a "foot" today.

 

[shacho]

does anyone know in versaworks where i check "ignore icc profile"?

 

[shoresigns]

does anyone know in versaworks where i check "ignore icc profile"?

In your Colour Management settings, uncheck "Use embedded ICC profile" if you want to ignore the embedded ICC profiles in your production artwork files.

Source: http://support.rolanddga.com/Docs/Documents/departments/Technical Services/Manuals and Guides/Color_Management_Presets_in_Roland_VersaWorks.pdf

 

[dypinc]

But you still have to assign the correct source profile. The trick is to figure out which one, if the designer is NOT knowagable enough to assign one which I find an unbelievable amount don't/won't do, no matter how much you explain it to them and why.

 

[ColorCrest]

In your Colour Management settings, uncheck "Use embedded ICC profile" if you want to ignore the embedded ICC profiles in your production artwork files.

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Source: http://support.rolanddga.com/Docs/Documents/departments/Technical Services/Manuals and Guides/Color_Management_Presets_in_Roland_VersaWorks.pdf

Just a heads-up to beware of the linked PDF that contains technical falsehoods, errors, and misunderstandings as published. The particular document, ironically created exactly 6 years today, is actually just a portion from an earlier document years before.

Users could be well served if Roland would review and update some of their published tutorials.

If I were the OP, I would contact Roland with my "RGB different colors" quandary.

 

[shoresigns]

Just a heads-up to beware of the linked PDF that contains technical falsehoods, errors, and misunderstandings as published. The particular document, ironically created exactly 6 years today, is actually just a portion from an earlier document years before.

Users could be well served if Roland would review and update some of their published tutorials.

If I were the OP, I would contact Roland with my "RGB different colors" quandary.

Would you mind elaborating? We rely on much of the information in that PDF to run our printer here.

 

[ColorCrest]

Would you mind elaborating? We rely on much of the information in that PDF to run our printer here.

Picked and paraphrased cherries…

“sRGB produces relatively flat looking colors.”
If this were true, which it is not, does Roland suggest to their users that any sRGB files are just lost to “flat looking colors?” Knowing that my sRGB files result in bright colors on different makes and models of other machines, I might conclude that Roland machines are thus inferior and cannot handle common sRGB files, so why would I bother with their brand? Their statement is incorrect as I know their machines can work produce great work with sRGB files. After all, the vast majority of all digital photos are in sRGB color space at this point in time.

Roland asserts the sRGB gamut is “relatively small,” the larger gamut Adobe 1998 “produces relatively bright images,” and Roland_SignRGB “is slightly bigger than the AdobeRGB 1998 and is designed to produce vivid and saturated colors.”
Their principle begs the question; why not just go ahead and use the common and nonproprietary ProPhoto RGB working space that has already been in use for 20 years which will surely encompass future ink sets for year to come, if not for ever?

“VersaWorks has the ability to process bitmap (Raster) and Vector data separately.”
Awesome, except their given graphic examples show Colorimetric being used for raster elements of flowers no less. Exactly the wrong photographic subject to convert using colorimetric. The setting should show Perceptual as the example for the user to be successful at printing flowers or most any other natural-world scenes and colors. Furthermore, can the option of choosing differing Matching Methods (rendering intents) between raster and vector elements present potential problems for designers and print makers? Absolutely yes, so beware.

The document has more cherries to pick but I’ll stop here.

See the attached file as a sample of flowers in ProPhoto RGB color space. Make copies by converting to AdobeRGB(1998) and another to sRGB. Do they appear different on your monitor? Try printing the 3 files. Do they appear different in print?