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Signs literally broke in half

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unclebun

Active Member
Stacey K said:
Since so many are invested in this, I put my winter coat on and went to do some detective work...watch till the end and you will see the problem...

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Stacey! I'd never have taken you for one of those people who leave the plastic film on the back of the sign.

It doesn't "save" the back for future use. It looks tacky. If and when the customer is ready to replace the sign, it will be nigh unto impossible to remove the film from the back. Plus then you have to try to get your vinyl to smoothly lay down on a bent sign with sharp holes from where they drilled it and the wind wallowed out the holes.
 
JBurton

JBurton

Signtologist
Stacey K said:
Since so many are invested in this, I put my winter coat on and went to do some detective work...watch till the end and you will see the problem...

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I thought that was going to be some sort of meme video, as the still/title card for it was the guys head at a wonky angle.
Love the video showing what you're looking at, the pink panther music was just chef's kiss. Obviously the issue was install, like they gave 3 signs to 3 different crews and said 'first group to install their sign wins this week's immunity idol.' Offer up any given install method mentioned here, just make sure they're using nylon lock nuts too.
 
Boudica

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
I can't see the video... is it NSFW? :roflmao:
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Stacey K

Stacey K

I like making signs
unclebun said:
Stacey! I'd never have taken you for one of those people who leave the plastic film on the back of the sign.

It doesn't "save" the back for future use. It looks tacky. If and when the customer is ready to replace the sign, it will be nigh unto impossible to remove the film from the back. Plus then you have to try to get your vinyl to smoothly lay down on a bent sign with sharp holes from where they drilled it and the wind wallowed out the holes.
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:roflmao: Right? I don't know what the deal was with that! I was probably rushed in a 24 hour window to do 3 signs and get them delivered and forgot to take it off? Typically I do remove it...shame shame
 
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ikarasu

Active Member
Stacey K said:
Since so many are invested in this, I put my winter coat on and went to do some detective work...watch till the end and you will see the problem...

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Haha, love the pink panther music :roflmao: didn't get a chance towatch the full video and find out what happened since I'm on my phone, but will watch it tonight!
 
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GraphixGirl79

New Member
Stacey K said:
Hi All - the baseball club ordered a bunch of signs last year and 3 signs three cracked in half. I'm pretty sure I had used the Bebond Premium 2 sided 3mm, - unless I used the economy? I rarely have any of that and avoid using it for these kinds of signs so I feel that's unlikely. That's the only thing I can think of. I've done probably 30 other signs for different fields etc. and never once had an issue. I do know other people install them with 2 vertical 2x4's like 1/3 in the middle of the sign and I see they used just bolts and a 2x4 on top.

I think I should drive over there and see if these are the only 3 in this particular area. Other signs I made them did not break. The other day we had gusts up to 70.
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I would of used an ACP product for these (unless it is.. then nm, lol).. on a chainlink fence they shouldn't be able to get bent or warped from the wind because the fence will offer some stability while using chainlink clips along the top and bottom.
 
Texas_Signmaker

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
ikarasu said:
It can be brittle, but how did the bolts fall out? The hole isn't ripped... the bolts came straight out, they didn't rip out, at least in the screenshots I posted - can't see the darker areas. So unless the sign broke in half and someone went out there and took the bolts out so the sign didn't fly away? Either way...someone definitely removed the bolts, whether it was before or after the sign ripped, that many bolts arent going to fall out on their own no matter how loose they may be.


Signlink fence clips are $1 each... https://www.signhardware.us/signlink I believe grimco sells them for less, We get them for about 50 cents a piece here and that includes the bolt and the clip, no need for a CNC...and one reason why we switched to them over aluminum strips. probably end up cheaper than a 2x4 if you factor in bolt costs. Buuut like I said, nothing wrong with the 2X4 on the back, I've just never seen it used in this way before, it's definitely not common here, so I was curious.
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I've seen fasteners pull right out of wood. Even more so if it's untreated.
 
Boudica

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
Finally had a chance to watch with the audio... That's some piss poor instillation. IMHO... I know you didn't do the installation, so this is on them. Lessons learned.
 
Boudica

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
JBurton said:
Here's the link to the truly NSFW stacy posted a while back...
I think this was when I asked how folks masked stuff, and got plenty of 'put the sticky side down' comments.
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I remember that. Maybe I'll sleuth out the thread....

ETA... Was that posted in the thread? Maybe I'm just remembering the thread?
Mandella effect? :big laugh:
 
Stacey K

Stacey K

I like making signs
Boudica said:
Finally had a chance to watch with the audio... That's some piss poor instillation. IMHO... I know you didn't do the installation, so this is on them. Lessons learned.
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Right! She was pretty nice, but I can tell they still think it's the signs, not the install. I told her to do 3 - 2x4's on back and she says they already have 2 across, one on top and one on bottom. I tried to explain that the bolts wiggled loose and the vertical ones will make the surface as a whole more durable. IDK what else to tell her, I'm mean, I'm not a rocket scientist, I don't know the inch by inch surface calculations. Her husband is a contractor/concrete guy so he should be more of a rocket scientist than me.

I don't want to be mean but...at some point this is simple common sense. Especially the loose bolts.
 
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unclebun

Active Member
You won't convince them it's their mounting technique, but it was. And even if they were mounted perfectly, with the kind of winds these storms have had no sign is invulnerable. The storms that went across Missouri, not counting the tornadoes, had straightline winds exceeding 80 mph. That's Category 1 hurricane wind speed. I drove home from visiting my mother in South Missouri through an area that received winds of that strength yesterday. Oak trees with 2-3' diameter trunks were completely uprooted out of the ground and toppled over. Signs and billboards of all kinds were down or missing faces, including several highway department exit signs that the faces blew off. A couple of janky 2x4's with 1/4" bolts trying to pinch a chain link fence and not even using nylock nuts aren't going to hold up.
 
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