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Tariffs

Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by ddarlak, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. ddarlak

    ddarlak Trump Hater

    I was just reading an article about Trump's tariffs and I need some help understanding the logic people have in saying that China pays for these tariffs.

    Are there any Trump supporters who would like to enlighten me as to exactly how Americans are not paying these tariffs?
     
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  2. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    We are paying for the Tarrifs... End of story.
     
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  3. ddarlak

    ddarlak Trump Hater

    I know that, obviously you know that, I want to hear from someone who believes Orange Boy, and how they see it.
     
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  4. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    This is just a cheap Trump hating thread...
     
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  5. ddarlak

    ddarlak Trump Hater

    I just want to hear from these people, they must exist, you know the ones that buy the chit he sells?
     
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  6. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    You're as transparent as optical clear laminate.
     
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  7. Gino

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    I don't believe you'll find those kinda people on a forum like this. This place is about signs........................ and what the toadster is thinking.

    Oops, that's right, he can't see what I write. Sorry............:awesome:
     
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    Some of the ways China pays for the tariffs is through currency manipulation via devaluation, meaning they let you buy more from the factories with your dollar to offset your countries cost. Part of what some people don't realize is the trade barriers setup by countries outside of the US via tariffs and vat taxes are fairly high.... to keep other countries blocked from doing business. When you really start to see what it cost to send a John Deere or a Ford vehicle outside the US it might make more sense to people just how bad the US has been getting screwed. The import tax to import a vehicle into China is around %50-%200. Europe isn't all that better either.....you are paying %18-%30 + if you want to sell over there. You have to be careful of the news media also cause they wordsmith the tariff numbers to make it sound horrible. For example a line of goods may have a %15 tariff on it already and the US adds a %10 tariff on top of that and the news will say "the tariff will be %25" insinuating it went from %0-%25. In the end the little %10 tariff will be eaten up starting with China and their currency which will take the brunt of it if not all of it. If they devalue their currency %10 the tariff doesn't have an effect on the US and the US buyers won't pay for it.

    I think the ending of the postal subsidies will cause more problems then the tariffs for China. The mail game was a killer to a lot of online sellers. A lot of people don't know but these shipping companies outside of USPS created shipping programs out of China to make packages look like they were shipped from the US. 800contacts does this for example, watch their ground shipping online. DHL for example will fly planes from China to the US and dump packages at local USPS hubs and when the package gets scanned out of China online it will say arrived at USPS sorting facility and they are shipping dirt cheap.
     
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  10. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    Yup! It's called an ePacket. They could sell an item cheaper then what I could ship it for. Killed us on selling small stuff but in return I got MY stuff cheaper so I duno if it worked out in the end or not.
     
  11. Andy D

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    You know tarrifs are AKA "a fair playing field tax", and they help fund useless liberal programs, right? It's probably the 1st tax the "tax and spend" liberals hate, & it's only because Trump enacted it.
     
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  12. Abraxas Aguilera

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    Angry troll, trying to make other people angry too.
    I have work to do
     
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  13. Andy D

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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because I might be, I'm not especially savvy about national accounting; in the Tax Foundation link Toad posted,
    the screen capture from below shows .55% of one percent, not 55%, correct?
    So we collected $170 billion in tariffs, forced China to reduce many of their tarrifs & it had next to
    no adverse effect on our economy, and might create US jobs in the future? If so, that seems like win, win, win
    for us...

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  14. 2CT Media

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    Bingo! but .55% of our GDP is alot.
     
  15. Andy D

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    True, but that was just their projection, it seems that they were wrong, there has been an increase, and there has been US companies investing
    into tech, creating good middle class jobs. Now with China repealing many of their tariffs and Trump repealing many of his, it should
    be a nice increase.
     
  16. Gino

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    Exactly.

    That's the kinda stuff the liberals will throw on you. Hoping you will overlook it or just glaze over it all. They just throw so much stuff at the fan hoping something will eventually stick, but generally, it doesn't. See, when someone like the toad just glosses over something he was given to read on any given subject, they don't know or understand the content, but are always willing to copy and paste this stuff for the world to see. For the world to see how incompetent they really are.

    Ya know, if we don't get things done in a hurry, it won't really matter all that much, cause I think we only have about 10 years until the world blows up, according to them. :banghead:
     
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    And they can't even figure it out that throwing so much mud has caused them to loose ground.
     
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    The question was and is tariffs "collected" from whom?

    Yeah, what's a LOSS of $136 BILLION in GDP among friends? And an ADDED $170 BILLION in costs passed onto consumers. No math major here, but that would appear to be a $306 BILLION double whammy being forced upon U.S. businesses and consumers.

    Peanuts. That kind of chump change didn't impact any workers, their jobs, etc.
     
  19. Andy D

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    That was their projection, and it seems they were wrong.

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