Ahh, away from work for hours now and finally think I have the right concept for this job. Fairly simple, yet somewhat swirly and leaf like, but not overly ornate font with simple grape vines growing out of some of the letters. I'm going to have to create or adapt a font for this. I greatly appreciate the push you all have provided on this. I cannot express enough gratitude. I will post the revision next week, hopefully it will merit a couple cudos, at that point, the customer will more than likely choose the design with the clock.