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Gino

Gino

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wild....... you have a lot to say, but it's all from your little spot on the map. You are like a mouse p!ssing in the ocean. It means very little. You wanna hit on boths sides of the fence and are afraid to commit to feeling a certain way, which seems like you don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings on either side. The system is broke and it's been broken for a very long time. I think what you're missing is, not so much WHERE these teachers hailed from, but what level they graduated from that school. In almost every type of business, from selling shoes, to making signs to lawyers to prostitutes.... you have good ones which tend to mingle together and you have the class C & D graduates while still have the credentials, but are always looking for ways to skirt around the real work. The high end ones tend to be where it is most advantageous for them and perform, while the class C & D are chasing ambulances, looking for loopholes in law, selling their wares for any price, just to make a buck. That's the vast majority of our teachers, today. They just talk the talk and do whatever it is to get their paycheck, regardless of what their students do. Remember, they are also products of the brainwashing taking place for 60 years.
 
Stacey K

Stacey K

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I have to agree that some teachers are bad, some are good but it's up to the kid and the parent to do well.

An example jumps out... 5th grade math, it was being taught completely different than I learned it. The teacher would send the kids home with 10-20 problems each night. The ones they got wrong they would have to fix for the next day. My son had 96ish kids in his grade. The teacher had 80 students with late work on her board on a daily basis. The science and english teacher were helping the kids after school because NOBODY understood this 5th grade math. There was a LINE every day with kids that needed help. My son was one of them. I finally started asking my work friend who majored in some kind of math to help me. My son was crying, I was crying, it was a F******* NIGHTMARE - EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. A month before school was done I finally threw my arms up in the air and said SCREW IT. We stopped making all these corrections, stopped crying over it every night. He passed and every year after that he excelled in math (and every year before).

In this case, it was the teacher. They ended up moving her to a different subject after that year after MANY parent complaints. I believe it was the first year that the curriculum was changed for 5th grade math.

Should I have stuck it out for the remainder of the year? Yes, I should have but it caused more stress than it was worth. I knew he was very good in math so I hoped he would be ok for the following year, which he was. That was the only really bad experience we had with teachers. A few here and there were a PITA and a few excellent ones. Some years we had to help the kids more than others in certain subjects and it's probably partly due to the teaching method but it was up to us to make sure we either got the kids extra help or helped ourselves. There's an element of parental responsibility here also IMO.

I did not win Mom of the Year that year...or any year, come to think of it...:rolleyes:
 
Gino

Gino

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Sooo....... what does that tell you ?? Was she a bad teacher ?? Was she a good teacher ??

A teacher is not worth jack, if he/she/it cannot teach. You don't just put stuff out there and not have anyone learn. That is the sign of a p!ss poor teacher. If a teacher cannot get their point across one way, they must find another or another, or another until the student(s) learns.... providing the student(s) is trying and capable of learning. This situation also tells me, there's no rhyme or reason for what most of these teachers are trying to teach. The standards and planned out content of a curriculum should be central to all schools across the board. You'll have students who will excel in some things and there are extra classes for them, the same as there are classes for those who learn with difficulty. BUT, you don't have a teacher teaching things nobody knows what it's about, let alone how to solve it. You've just sited a perfect example of what our schools are putting out there to teach our children.
 
Stacey K

Stacey K

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Gino said:
Sooo....... what does that tell you ?? Was she a bad teacher ?? Was she a good teacher ??

A teacher is not worth jack, if he/she/it cannot teach. You don't just put stuff out there and not have anyone learn. That is the sign of a p!ss poor teacher. If a teacher cannot get their point across one way, they must find another or another, or another until the student(s) learns.... providing the student(s) is trying and capable of learning. This situation also tells me, there's no rhyme or reason for what most of these teachers are trying to teach. The standards and planned out content of a curriculum should be central to all schools across the board. You'll have students who will excel in some things and there are extra classes for them, the same as there are classes for those who learn with difficulty. BUT, you don't have a teacher teaching things nobody knows what it's about, let alone how to solve it. You've just sited a perfect example of what our schools are putting out there to teach our children.
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SHE SUCKED. When you have 80/96 kids with late work on a daily basis and other teachers pitching in to help the students DAILY, there's clearly a problem with how she is teaching it. My youngest had no problem at all with 5th grade math a couple years later, I don't believe the majority of them had a problem...by then, this particular teacher was already teaching a different subject.

Remembering all this makes me cringe...
 
Notarealsignguy

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People have to be careful with this because some people may consider a certain teacher good while others think they are terrible. Bitching and moaning in order to force a change makes people feel better but it is not always in the best interest of the everyone else. That is the thing that I have a problem with. Kids (and adults) don't like to be pushed or challenged and they tend to fight against it. This can make the person doing the pushing look bad when in actuality it is the best thing for someone learning. IMO, the best lesson you can teach your kid is to deal with it and hope that the next one you get is more your style. They will be better able to cope with shit as an adult when people aren't there to rescue or comfort them. It doesnt do society any good to have people/parents stepping in every time that billybob is frustrated. I had this math teacher in high school, he drove me and a bunch of other people crazy and I would always complain about him, enough that my parents got in on it. After I got into college it hit me that most of the teachers that annoyed me the most, like him, were some of the best ones I had ever had.
I believe that the majority of teachers are good. Someone with a business driven mind would tend to think that anyone with a college degree that's worth their weight would get a job paying more, which only leaves the bottom of the barrel. That's not really the case though. That profession tends to attract people that have different motivations than money, like helping kids, a great schedule, benefits etc. Teaching can be really rewarding
 
Stacey K

Stacey K

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Notarealsignguy said:
People have to be careful with this because some people may consider a certain teacher good while others think they are terrible. Bitching and moaning in order to force a change makes people feel better but it is not always in the best interest of the everyone else. That is the thing that I have a problem with. Kids (and adults) don't like to be pushed or challenged and they tend to fight against it. This can make the person doing the pushing look bad when in actuality it is the best thing for someone learning. IMO, the best lesson you can teach your kid is to deal with it and hope that the next one you get is more your style. They will be better able to cope with **** as an adult when people aren't there to rescue or comfort them. It doesnt do society any good to have people/parents stepping in every time that billybob is frustrated. I had this math teacher in high school, he drove me and a bunch of other people crazy and I would always complain about him, enough that my parents got in on it. After I got into college it hit me that most of the teachers that annoyed me the most, like him, were some of the best ones I had ever had.
I believe that the majority of teachers are good. Someone with a business driven mind would tend to think that anyone with a college degree that's worth their weight would get a job paying more, which only leaves the bottom of the barrel. That's not really the case though. That profession tends to attract people that have different motivations than money, like helping kids, a great schedule, benefits etc. Teaching can be really rewarding
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This is very true. My sons first grade teacher got "let go" because she had a bad wrap as being strict. Lots of parents talked about her, then my son got her. I tried to have him transferred based only on gossip, ugh. The principal wouldn't' do it and I was glad he didn't. My son was perfectly well behaved for her (after a couple phone calls from her, I straightened his *ss out) got excellent grades, he didn't care for her but I did. It turns out she wasn't a meanie, she was just quiet and had kinda a resting B**** face. I felt so horrible at the end of the school year when she was told not to return the following year. I really regret asking for that transfer, I added to it and for no reason, she was an excellent teacher. Her kids walked a straight line in the halls and were silent. Very well behaved! Goes to show how parents stick up for their kids too much and don't like being told little Johnny is naughty.

For the math son, I think it might have been a mixture of "new math" and a teacher that maybe wasn't qualified in math, more in just GE. One thing I forgot. Twice he got a couple problems marked "wrong" and when I brought them to work to have Roger explain them to me, he said my son had them right. He then explained the to me. I twice had to call the teacher and she argued with me, then the next day said that in fact my son did have them correct (those stupid "show your work" deals). It was a big turn-off, I got the feeling she herself didn't understand it well enough to teach it. That was the only time I ever stepped in with grades. Math is math, it's right or wrong, not like writing a story or an art project, both are more subjective. She was probably glad to be done with that school year LOL

Really haven't had too many problems with teachers but my kids are pretty good with grades and behavior so I don't see the other side which is where it's more distinct between good and bad teachers. I think 90% are good.
 
Texas_Signmaker

Texas_Signmaker

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When you order a sign from Jburton and pay extra for double sided... he will make it single sided and convince you you can't see the other 50%. When you argue with him he will tell you to go back to math class and work it out. Gino will tell you that the teacher is wrong and Notarealsignguy will say tough it out and get through it. You give up and accept the single sided sign and take the college math class tutor girl out for beer pong...but you drive past the beer joint because there was nothing on the otherside of their sign
 
WildWestDesigns

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Notarealsignguy said:
Kids (and adults) don't like to be pushed or challenged and they tend to fight against it. This can make the person doing the pushing look bad when in actuality it is the best thing for someone learning.
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You are assuming that they are actually challenging the students.

They are talking about removing AP classes, only teaching classes with a certain bent towards things and "banning" those that don't agree with them. It's really going on in colleges now. That's not teaching, that's not challenging. Let's not even go into the element of the participation award and the whole notion of "safe space".

This is coming from someone that had a learning disability, whose parents were told (and I overheard) many developmental specialists saying that I wouldn't graduate HS, much less even go to college. I could only imagine if I had come thru that bullshit that is no child left behind. I would have had no incentive to work through my struggles to make it.


Notarealsignguy said:
Teaching can be really rewarding
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I guess it would depend on how one defines what it would mean for something to be "rewarding".

But statistically speaking, how often is it really? My grandmother (who taught English and Music) used to get letters from former students up until they died (she outlived most, if not all of her students(101.5 when she died in 2015)). My wife had a totally different experience as she was having to do with that BS aforementioned program. I would say as most people come out of what is being preached about in current day education system, odds are the goals of teachers are going to be different. Is that all, no, I won't ever say it's all or nothing. But I would rather have a teacher that challenges my kids about how they think, then to teach them what to think (my parent's didn't teach me what to think, they challenged what I thought and wanted me to continue to have an open mind as well as when I went through the education system). That's what I have a problem with.

But have to wonder how much apathy has set in. It could be apathy because they like the way things are going and don't care, it could be that they have apathy because they don't have any direct concern, or it just flat full blown apathy regardless.
 
Notarealsignguy

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WildWestDesigns said:
You are assuming that they are actually challenging the students.

They are talking about removing AP classes, only teaching classes with a certain bent towards things and "banning" those that don't agree with them. It's really going on in colleges now. That's not teaching, that's not challenging. Let's not even go into the element of the participation award and the whole notion of "safe space".

This is coming from someone that had a learning disability, whose parents were told (and I overheard) many developmental specialists saying that I wouldn't graduate HS, much less even go to college. I could only imagine if I had come thru that bullshit that is no child left behind. I would have had no incentive to work through my struggles to make it.



I guess it would depend on how one defines what it would mean for something to be "rewarding".

But statistically speaking, how often is it really? My grandmother (who taught English and Music) used to get letters from former students up until they died (she outlived most, if not all of her students(101.5 when she died in 2015)). My wife had a totally different experience as she was having to do with that BS aforementioned program. I would say as most people come out of what is being preached about in current day education system, odds are the goals of teachers are going to be different. Is that all, no, I won't ever say it's all or nothing. But I would rather have a teacher that challenges my kids about how they think, then to teach them what to think (my parent's didn't teach me what to think, they challenged what I thought and wanted me to continue to have an open mind as well as when I went through the education system). That's what I have a problem with.

But have to wonder how much apathy has set in. It could be apathy because they like the way things are going and don't care, it could be that they have apathy because they don't have any direct concern, or it just flat full blown apathy regardless.
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You just said I am assuming then go on with 3 paragraphs of assumptions. Your wife had a bad experience so that means that everyone does? Nobody is banning anything either, you are being a bit dramatic here. I never experienced teachers telling me what to think but have had plenty of them challenge me and I don't hear anything different than that from my kids teachers now.
 
WildWestDesigns

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Notarealsignguy said:
I never experienced teachers telling me what to think but have had plenty of them challenge me.
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This wasn't always the case. It certainly wasn't the case when I was going thru school. Times change however.

There was a write up in a local paper from this year that a school was under fire due to a teaching method some students are in therapy due to suicidal thoughts. These were 7 yr olds I might add. There was some circulation around the local HS as well. Leaked emails from one of the teachers about seminars that the teachers were being sent to.

Edit: I re-read that report. Apparently, there is also a contract with an outside firm with helping integration of this type of "teachings" within the school system here. While this may not affect everyone's location, it does affect the schools in my county as it is a county wide program.
 
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GAC05

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WildWestDesigns

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Texas_Signmaker said:
These kids are certainly getting a lesson...I dont think I would of skipped this class.

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Since it's intersectional, some wouldn't get the same out of it as others would. Especially since the teacher says that they are also "disrupting" health education. But since it's intersectional, if "you" fit a certain sexual preference demographic, no bueno.

Considering students are on average 16-17 in the 11th grade, depending on the jurisdiction, parent's should have been informed to give consent. Depending on the jurisdiction.

I remember more then a few "teachers" were reeing over how to hide what they were teaching to students when everyone was doing zoom learning. It was out there in the open on their feeds. Some schools (here included) required parents to not monitor at all what went on in those "classrooms". Had to sign waivers to such.
 
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