I do see what you are talking about, but the video I just watched has no means for me to verify its accuracy. There are lots of glitches that make it suspect - I am not calling it a fake, I am just saying this is one of those that I cannot use as proof as it is not first hand, does not cite sources, and the video cannot be proven (to be clear, very few videos these days can be accepted at face value.)This one
4.8M views · 31K reactions | Joe Biden: "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money" | Two years ago today, Joe Biden shares how, as Vice President, he threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine unless a prosecutor was fired. #TBT | By T
Two years ago today, Joe Biden shares how, as Vice President, he threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine unless a prosecutor was fired. #TBTwww.facebook.com
it blows my mind that people haven't seen this.
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Geneva Olson
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It really doesn't matter where any conservative gets their information. If it contradicts what you think, you will find a way to attack it.
The video didn't come from facebook originally. I was able to find it quickly on facebook. That's where google took me. But I get it. you hate trump and will disregard anything that anyone has anything to say positive about him and negative about biden.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
this video isn't a new one. It's been around for years. This is the video that got trump impeached for asking zelensky about this particular event. the whole quid pro quo....that everyone ignored for biden but threw it on trump back in 2019
XtremeXccessories
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Wasn't it certified by the FBI in 2019? Under Trump's DOJ? Witchhunt! Political persectuion! FBI plant!
Isn't that how it goes? That's what I've been hearing for the last four years, I was beginning to believe the FBI can't be trusted...
I am not arguing with the timeline - just with my ability to verify the accuracy of it. there have been a lot of fake videos on both sides posted for quite some time now.
I can show you some absolutely stunning videos of inter-stellar travel by humans. I am pretty sure they are fake. Oh, and there are also videos of people walking on the moon - I can verify some of their accuracy by pointing a laser and a telescope at the retro-reflectors they left behind. If they had not left actual evidence I can see and verify things may be different.
Geneva Olson
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...no, it wasnt. That video is what caused trump to ask zelensky about the quid pro quo incident. That video is the quid pro quo that biden used to get hunter hired at burisma. That phone call that trump made to zelensky is the what caused the first impeachment on trump. The FBI did not certify that it was hunter's laptop until joe was in office. and then, if you remember correctly, joe pardoned hunter and the rest of his family right before he left office.
Geneva Olson
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i'm not arguing period. I'm just telling you that the video has been around since 2019. its a matter of fact that it's a real video.
yes, the video has been around for a long time. the clip you show is not the full clip I can find elsewhere. I can find no clips that show the source data and I can find a few articles that debunk that specific video as a fake. I have no way to assess how true either side is on this specific video. If you have a way to verify the accuracy, please inform us. Otherwise it is just another unconfirmed data point - all but useless.
... yes, the video is real. Is it depicting a fictional encounter? was it edited at all, is there any cgi, or AIcgi in it? what is the motivation behind the people who edited it and published it? are we sure they didn't edit it for content to skew message a bit? again I cannot tell for sure on this video.
Geneva Olson
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How do you not understand that trump was impeached over the event that biden explains in the video? Biden asked for the prosecutor to be fired so that hunter could get a job at bursima. The video is proof that biden did that. Biden withheld a billion dollars of funding unless the prosecutor was fired. THAT is a FACT. Whether the video is fake is a moot point. Those events took place. The video just proves that those events actually took place.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
and the social media platforms took away the voice of the right.
Gaslighting is generally based on skewing facts of trying to change history - things like saying "Jan 6th was a peaceful tour of the capital" - neither side should be proud of the events from that day.
I am no trying to gaslight anything. I have been in the news before and seen how the video was edited to show the exact opposite of what actually happened. I have learned to be incredibly skeptical of ANYONE either on the LEFT or the RIGHT, or in-between. Rely on verified sources, and be willing to accept when a source is found to be false. Do not look for evidence to support your position - this is biased. Look for evidence then deduce what happened from the evidence - it may support or deny your position, but the correct choice is to accept the facts when you find them and be open when more are presented. (I see very few verified facts from either side being thrown around in the main left vs right discussions)
I am no trying to gaslight anything. I have been in the news before and seen how the video was edited to show the exact opposite of what actually happened. I have learned to be incredibly skeptical of ANYONE either on the LEFT or the RIGHT, or in-between. Rely on verified sources, and be willing to accept when a source is found to be false. Do not look for evidence to support your position - this is biased. Look for evidence then deduce what happened from the evidence - it may support or deny your position, but the correct choice is to accept the facts when you find them and be open when more are presented. (I see very few verified facts from either side being thrown around in the main left vs right discussions)
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
But you're questioning the authenticity of a video that proves why trump got impeached. Joe biden should have been impeached for withholding the billion dollars. NO ONE questioned the withholding of the billion dollars. It was a fact that the prosecutor was fired and a fact that Obama released the billion dollars after he was fired.
I question the authenticity of ANY video. Especially one that has such political meaning. I believe lots of people have questioned this video as well as others. Why is this an all or nothing thing? both the left and the right have presented false and deceptive things. I am on the left or right fringe. I respect opinions on both sides, I look for facts to make my decisions.
Geneva Olson
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Because you seem to fail to understand that the regardless of the video being "authentic", what he's saying in the video actually happened. We have proof that it happened. BECAUSE of hunters laptop.
I posted the video to show Joe's complicity. But take away the video and the facts are still there. Yes. It's an all or nothing because you seem to not understand the situation. Trump was impeached for asking about the situation that biden is admitting to in the video. Biden doesn't even question the authenticity of the video.
I have never seen articles of impeachment against Trump that says he was being impeached for "asking" about anything. there were some very specific actions spelled out both times he was impeached. neither was about asking a question.
Geneva Olson
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he was impeached twice. the first time was for this incident
maybe "for this incident" in the broadest meaning... there were some very specific actions that he was impeached for.... if he just wanted to ask questions and have this investigated, there were viable and legal ways for an executive to do this. He chose not to and was impeached - he was not impeached for asking a question.
Sometimes you have no choice. We had an upcoming big increase on aluminum due to tarrifs a year ago...the price jumped by about 40%. And one company bought about 40 skids and cleaned everyone out before the tarrifs hit... They kept their prices what they were at, so by increasing our prices we were no longer competitive. We didn't lose money, but our margins went down for quite awhile in places where we couldnt raise it.... They used it to win all the larger contract jobs where they didn't need to increase prices by 15-20% where as every other shop did (Which was smart of them)
We also do a lot of government contracts / tenders... If we jack up the price of the tender at renewal time, 9/10 times it goes back out to bid due to how the tenders work... So lose out on a bit of proffit, or raise prices and maybe lose a million dollar contract which would have been a guaranteed thing?
We just had a 250k a year contract goto year 2 / optional for renewal... Aluminum was $110 a sheet when we signed the pricing, then within a year it jumped to $165 a sheet. We werent going to eat that much proffit since it was just cutting aluminum... So we told them price would be going up 75%... luckily they accepted letters from our suppliers on how aluminum has gone up due to tarrifs / mills, and just renewed the 2nd year without having to go back to tender... Jobs where its all manufacturing theres no option to eat the cost... but if its a job where you're making 40-50% proffit, and you can either give up 10% or risk losing the contract to some other company who comes in bidding cheap... sometimes it makes more sense to eat the cost.
Sure... if a realtor comes in and says why are signs $10 more today than they were yesterday, you don't owe them an explanation aside from material costs have gone up... But there are lots of cases, and long term customers where you do need to justify the increase... Otherwise they may start shopping around.