The videos don't show that. The woman was not in over her head. They had people coming regularly to do various maintenance things (a landscape guy is the one who found them). Anybody so exposed can contract hanta, and go from feeling fine one day, sick the next and suddenly dead later that day or the next. It's like getting histoplasmosis except histo isn't as hard on you. All evidence shows she was taking care of things until she got sick, which likely was for 2 days. Then Gene suddenly had no caretaker.
-
I want to thank all the members that have upgraded your accounts. I truly appreciate your support of the site monetarily. Supporting the site keeps this site up and running as a lot of work daily goes on behind the scenes. Click to Support Signs101 ...
US Tariffs, Sigh!
- Thread starter JamesLam
- Start date
Stacey K
I like making signs
I have had mice in every house I ever owned. Either I have a mouser cat or I put poison out. This Fall I found droppings in my kitchen drawers so I knew it was time for poison. That b*tch had babies in my living room tv cabinet. I found her dead when I came home from work in my living room and the babies started to smell and then I found them a couple days later. When I see droppings I empty everything out from my kitchen and use bleach to clean. So far no Hanta virus.
In a farm house I had years ago we moved in and watched the mice go from one heat register across the living room to the other heat register. Could hear them at night in the walls. We got a barn cat a couple days later, Norman, every couple days he left me a dead mouse next to the bed. Such a great guy...he got hit by a car and is dead now.
FlyingSquirrelBrigade
New Member
Back to the tariff thing, Trump said while he was campaigning that exporters would pay the tariff not Americans (https://x.com/Acyn/status/1832508262316699871), much like he said Mexico would pay for the wall. Yesterday the press sec doubled down on this (https://x.com/Acyn/status/1899518327258763372 ). As any of the business owners here know, the importer pays the tariff so I'm curious what you make of Trump and his Press Secretary blatantly lying about something so easily disprovable.
Unfortunately he's partially right. There's a few companies I know of in Canada that make hobby CNC's... 1 is paying the 25% Tarrif for their customers... another was, but recently stopped due to all the backlash they got about it. I don't think it's sustainable in the long run for companies to pay the tariff, but... just playing devils advocate and pointing out some companies seem to believe eating a 25% Less and not losing the US customer base is the best move.
White Haus
Not a Newbie
I can't even bear to click those links and lose more braincells, but you're absolutely right to compare the tariffs with the wall, in terms of his understanding (or lack thereof) regarding how they work and who gets stuck footing the bill.
I don't have anything nice to say so I won't say more, as I don't want to offend any other members here.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
Curious what you think Trump is lying about. Trump has been in business for how many years now? He's got Trump international. He's very well versed in tariffs and how they work. He's in fact, a big fan of tariffs. From what I understand, Canada wanted to impose an energy tariff on the US of 25%. Trump said, "ok, we will impose a reciprocal tariff on Canada for goods we export to Canada". He's doing the same thing to every country we work trade with. Traditionally the tariffs imposed on us are WAY higher than the tariffs we impose on other countries. So, he's balancing it out. Our jobs have been exported over to other countries and he's trying to bring those jobs back to america. In Texas, we have the piney woods where trees are grown specifically for lumber and paper mills. We don't pay tariffs on those items that are produced here. Trump is right about this: our country has the capacity to build and grow everything we need. So, I'm really confused at what you claim that Trump is lying about.
Zoogee World
Domed Promotional Product Supplier
Not trying to argue with you, but I think what he was saying about the lying is that Trump has been saying that the Canadian companies exporting to the US will be paying and not the US importer, which in some cases, some Canadian companies are eating the cost, but not all and what is happening is that the US importer is the one that has to pay these tariffs, which then gets passed down to the consumer.
I'm interested in getting your perspective on your statement about bringing business back to the US. How exactly would that work? It's going to cost a lot of money to make the factories, then they'll have to pay the employees a lot more then the overseas ones, to me, it doesn't make financial sense to any company to do that. I'm sure there are certain instances that it might make sense if the factories already exist in the US and they'd just buy the raw material from the states instead of abroad, but that's a minority.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
I'm always baffled at this question. When manufacturing moved to other countries, what exactly do you think happened to the facilities here in america? I believe that in many instances, they just became abandoned. It will take some up front costs to revive them, but I do believe it will save us money in the long run when we are talking about tariffs for the same items from overseas.
look at walmart. When they build a new building down the road, the abandon the old one. Many times it stays vacant for years. BTW: Walmart used to only sell american made products.
Take a gander at Detroit. The city was prosperous when auto manufacturing was there. Someone can definitely chime in and tell us what happened to the car manufacturing plants.
Zoogee World
Domed Promotional Product Supplier
Like I said, not trying to fight, just trying to understand from your point of view. I know we each have our opinions and how we interpret what we see and hear and that's fine.
I don't know if it would be financially beneficial in the long run for them to go back into the US, as you mentioned, a lot of the old factories were abandoned, in a lot of cases, they can't be refurbished, they'd need to be demolished and rebuilt, but then you'd have to also pay the staff a lot more then employees in China, which would make the end product cost the consumer a more. What is your view on that, maybe I'm not seeing something or understanding it differently.
Just here in Canada, things are more expensive for the most part compared to the US and everyone complains, couldn't see how US consumers would be okay with paying let's say double the price because of the extra overhead.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
I don't agree with you on the demolished and rebuilt scenario. I personally would love to see Detroit back to the way it was in the 70s. I do think they would have to rebuild there. BUT, We do have working manufacturing plants in the US that might need to be expanded. For instance, there are Toyota plants in Mississippi that build certain vehicles.
I'd like to also point out that Texas has the 8th largest economy in the world. We have manufacturing of lumber and paper. We have oil and gas and plastic production. I can see quite a few plants here in Texas actually producing vinyl. We have the facilities to do.
What youre not seeing though is that the US pays higher tariff percentages than other countries pay us. All trump is asking for is reciprocity. that would allow us more money in savings to put toward rebuilding manufacturing plants.
And if anyone is confused on why he's doing it, it's because the US is damn near bankrupt. This isn't a CHOICE as much as it is a necessity.
Zoogee World
Domed Promotional Product Supplier
Yes, when facilities exist, to expand would make sense, however, I'm sure there are some industries that just don't exist in the US, maybe never have.
As far as I know, up until Trump started this whole thing, Canada wasn't forcing tariffs on any goods coming here. I'm also pretty sure we weren't putting tariffs on exporters into the US or the importers in the US.
As for that deficit he talks about on goods, it doesn't really exist, the US has a much larger population then Canada, there is no way we could buy the amount of goods from the US that the US buys from Canada, it's just not possible, however, if you base it on a per person perspective, it is pretty equal.
I can maybe agree on the China side, but there is no reason to hurt relations with Canada, when we haven't and aren't doing anything to hurt the US.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
So the issue with Canada isn't about tariffs but it's about the drugs that are flowing. Apparently China set up some labs in Canada and Trump is trying to impose the tariff to stop the flow of fentanyl trafficking coming from Canada.
I'm curious what industries you don't think exist in the US and never have. Can you expand on that?
Zoogee World
Domed Promotional Product Supplier
Although I don't have any specifics, I'm sure there is, maybe when it comes to mining, as there are minerals the US doesn't have. I think some of all of this boils down to corporate greed, because, some of what you are saying could make sense if the companies weren't all about making as much money as possible and be more focused on giving the customer a good product at a lower cost.
As for the drugs, that's mostly incorrect, it's been proven that there isn't as much as Trump is trying to say, I'm sure there might be a small amount, however, there's a good chance that there is more being made inside the US then comes from Canada. I think he has some other motives, just not exactly sure what.
I do appreciate you taking time to explain your view point. I know we aren't going to see eye to eye on this, but at least we can listen to each others views and opinions. It's when people try to push their views onto others that it becomes a problem. Hope you have a good rest of your day.
weyandsign
New Member
I don't know if it would be financially beneficial in the long run for your customers to buy anything from you, when they can goto imprint5 and get it for half price with free worldwide shipping from China.
not trying to fight, just trying to understand from your point of view.
you'd have to also pay your staff a lot more then employees in China, which would make the end product cost the consumer a(lot) more.
couldn't see how your customers would be okay with paying let's say double the price because of the extra overhead, when they can buy it from China?
What is your view on that, maybe I'm not seeing something or understanding it differently.
Oh, and the thought of rebuilding factories in America? The horror!
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
Not so fast there. I'm not quite done understanding your side. Tell me how corporate greed plays into this scenario?
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
She was dead a week before he died. A 95 yo alzheimers patient needs nurses checking on them daily or at least every other day. That's why they have locked doors with alarms on them in alzheimer units. It's actually a wonder he didn't wander off. My uncle had to put my aunt in a nursing home at 77 because he kept catching her leaving the house in the middle of the night.
JBurton
Signtologist
How about this way. Last week, I was paying $100 for a sheet of aluminum. This week it's going to cost me $125. I tell my aluminum distributor, "F*ck you, tell them to eat the cost!" Ya know what he tells me? "Do you want the aluminum or not"
So, let's build some bauxite processing facilities here and start making our own aluminum! Great, dig up some Bauxite. Ok, but there isn't a whole hell of alot around here, Bauxite, Arkansas used to be the largest producer, once they dug it all up, they left town.
Ok, so then lets instead say that we have bauxite, no problem, lets get it process into that sweet sweet american aluminum. One problem, for every 1 ton of aluminum, you get 2-2.5 tons of red mud. Red mud is highly toxic, and has limited applications after further processing. In fact, the US doesn't recognize any useful process for it. So now you have to store toxic sh*t in someone's backyard... Do you want it in your backyard?
I say let china, brazil, and whoever they hell else wants to deal with the processing and storing of the toxic stuff, and let me buy it from them. Don't interject politics into a system that doesn't need it, I just need frigging aluminum.
Geneva, what do you want to do with the aluminum production? (we are not even going to get into aluminum recycling and cans, that's a different racket)
So, let's build some bauxite processing facilities here and start making our own aluminum! Great, dig up some Bauxite. Ok, but there isn't a whole hell of alot around here, Bauxite, Arkansas used to be the largest producer, once they dug it all up, they left town.
Ok, so then lets instead say that we have bauxite, no problem, lets get it process into that sweet sweet american aluminum. One problem, for every 1 ton of aluminum, you get 2-2.5 tons of red mud. Red mud is highly toxic, and has limited applications after further processing. In fact, the US doesn't recognize any useful process for it. So now you have to store toxic sh*t in someone's backyard... Do you want it in your backyard?
I say let china, brazil, and whoever they hell else wants to deal with the processing and storing of the toxic stuff, and let me buy it from them. Don't interject politics into a system that doesn't need it, I just need frigging aluminum.
Geneva, what do you want to do with the aluminum production? (we are not even going to get into aluminum recycling and cans, that's a different racket)
Zoogee World
Domed Promotional Product Supplier
No worries. Sorry, thought I explained it. If it wasn't for companies (or more likely the Execs.) wanting to make more money, a lot of businesses wouldn't have ever gone overseas, that's why a lot did in the first place, just likeweyandsign mentioned, much cheaper to buy from China and then make a larger profit. I can see from a thought aspect, that having more factories and industries in the US would be a good thing, more jobs and all that, but I think in practice it would be more difficult and much more expensive. I just don't think the end customer wants to pay more. I think it would great to do that here in Canada too, but I don't think it's practical. I guess only time will tell.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
That's actually kind of a broad answer that doesn't really have substance other than, "corporate greed". (side note, "corporate greed" is a proganda phrase pushed out by liberals). Trump is using tariffs as a negotiation piece. If Canada is going to impose a 25% tariff on energy, then Trump increased the tariffs to Canada for goods we send to Canada. I read that Canada backed off of the energy tariff. Once that happens, Trump backs off on the 25% tariff on goods we send to canada. Thus both countries become winners and make money. Where exactly is the corporate greed?