FlyingSquirrelBrigade
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If there was a problem there would be evidence of it. For which there is not. All evidence points to the southern border and the ports as 99.8% of seizures happen there.
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US Tariffs, Sigh!
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FlyingSquirrelBrigade
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https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/drug-seizure-statistics This link isn't from 2021 it has ongoing data from 2025. The first line it mentions "As of 15 December 2021 the Drug Seizures dashboard now includes seizures of all drug types." Which means that the data being shown in the chart includes seizures of all drug types which was a change to the database four years ago but the database has current and ongoing data including data brought forward by the trump administration.
FlyingSquirrelBrigade
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We would, Canadians we're honest to a fault. We care about our people and Americans too. We'd never went drugs to harm them or ourselves. When Trump first raised his issues with fentanyl in Canada, we committed 1.3 billion dollars to the border. But as I've said before and shown with data, and as almost everyone knows on planet earth, drugs move from the South into the USA. It's been that way since the 70's whether its cocaine, weed, heroin or now fentanyl.
Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
I'm not an "expert" but my father was the head of gasoline blending for 31 years at amoco oil company when it was the largest refinery in ameria., my brother was the lead trainer and a manager at the citgo refinery in corpus christi texas and my grandfather was a gauger. to say that i have oil in my blood is an understatement. I am fully aware of the the sweet crude vs the sour crude. We are still able to sell our oil. so don't act like we are in direstraits for oil. biden used our oil reserves to keep prices down when he got a lot of crap for it. A quick google search tells me that The U.S. refines approximately 18.4 million barrels of crude oil per day, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), and while it produces enough oil to meet its needs, it imports some crude oil and refines it into petroleum products, some of which are then exported.
I guess what I'm asking you is, what's your point?
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GAC05
Quit buggin' me
My father and grandfather grew up working the oil fields in Texas and Louisiana. Whenever I would be griping about my life he'd tell me how they lived in a hillside cave for over a year. So I may have oil or Hobbit in my blood. I didn't have much of a comeback on the cave deal, so I appreciated their hard work in providing for our family.
FlyingSquirrelBrigade
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My point is, the US needs Canadian oil. Now you've not responded to any of the messages I've sent where I have definitively proved you wrong (ie Trump lying about who pays tariffs and where fentanyl comes from) and nothing you wrote in this message contradicts what I've said but have rather offered random information about your family history that has no bearing on anything of import in this discussion. Information about oil markets doesn't pass on genetically as is evidenced by your responses that its "silly" that you can't turn light oil into mostly diesel, here's a tweet from your American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers showing how 70% of your refineries run most efficiently with heavy oil (https://x.com/AFPMonline/status/1899831462062420320) its the most profitable mix that keeps prices low for americans and profits high for its refineries. The US refines 18.4 mbpd of crude but where does the crude come from? Table 4a (https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/pdf/steo_full.pdf) puts US oil production at 13.5MM in 2025. So that's close to 5 million BPD short fall to keep the refineries full. The US consumes 20 million bpd (https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6) so on top of that they need to import another 1.6mbpd of refined products. So yes the USA needs Canadian oil and other country's oil today and even into 2026 as forecasted by your EIA. Oil prices are low and there's no chance american producers are going to add 5mbpd of production with under 600 rigs running (https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/e_ertrr0_xr0_nus_cm.htm). If the US was serious about adding that kind of production you'd need to go back to the days of 2014 when oil was $100 a barrel and the US had 1200 rigs running. But at mid $60 oil no one is looking to add that kind of volume as you would just further crush the price of oil (EIA long term forecast of oil production https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=11-AEO2023&cases=ref2023&sourcekey=0). Lower 48 production is expected to decline this year with most production coming from the Gulf of Mexico.
Patentagosse
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200-300% tariffs is BS... Damn it's way lower than that. Trump is shamelessly lying on that. In 2018 he claimed he has signed an historical deal with Canada and Mexico and last week he was raging against the fucker that signed the worst deal ever made on USA's back. H E D I D I T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a moron. Seriously. He always keep on claiming he's the best at everything... no lesson to take from someone who has countless bankruptcies to his record.
Patentagosse
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I think the gun problems we have now with firearms coming from YOUR SIDE is a million times more important than the Fentanyl coming from Canada. If the drug can enter in USA than it's on your Border patrols. The forementioned 1% Fentanyl coming from here can barely be traceable vs. all the shit coming from down south. If all the tariffs war started only from this then you really needed a reason to create worldwide chaos and you pick the wrong people.
Trump and his billionaire friends are just creating a smoke show to hide a way bigger operation in the backstore. Honestly, I like american people. I have friends all over the place, suppliers, clients, and I made half of my vacation trips out there. I don't want this relationship to be infected by 1 guy lying at everybody about us.
Patentagosse
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Trump has more bankruptcies to his records than hair on his head. Please don't drink everything he says, he lies every 2 sentences. He's not a great businessman, he left many workers unpaid, he getting all veterans against him, he never paid his faire share of taxes... c'mon be realistic, you cannot admire the guy for his accomplishments. We also have a clown on our side but the difference here, nobody likes him and as he's walking out of the office right now, nobody will burn his shirt for him. 'Hope someday you'll see clearly before it gets too late.
White Haus
Not a Newbie
Thank God someone understands things.
I'm trying to stay out of this, but the ignorance and pipe-dream rationale of bringing all manufacturing back to the US or North America in general is astounding.
I'm no economics major but come on, how can some people not grasp how impractical, if not impossible, it is to actually manufacture everything in the US. Have you ever thought about WHY most labor and manufacturing is performed by third world countries?? What's minimum wage in your state? That's a week for some countries. (Not saying that's okay, just saying it how it is) Now apply that to every single product that people buy and suddenly the people that are so excited to bring manufacturing back can't even afford to buy said goods.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for countries doing their own manufacturing, and think it would be awesome for more of that to come back, but are we really prepared to pay 5-10x for the same products just so we can say they were made in the US?? I doubt it. Some things, like tools and equipment sure. But not every day commodities, raw materials, building products, etc.
There is a reason global trade is a thing, and has worked since the beginning of time. Just like us poor Canadians can't grow oranges or plantains, US can't make their own aluminum, etc etc etc - being able to trade (peacefully) between nations is crucial to everyone's survival, and instead it's being manipulated in a ridiculous joke of a power play.
White Haus
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Geneva Olson
Expert Storyteller
MY POINT is that NO, the US does NOT NEED Canadian Oil...and apparently you didn't read my articles on the chinese labs in canada.
and I'm really confused on your argument on tariffs. no one is disputing the importer/exporter pay. No one lied about that.
Texas is the 8th largest economy in the world. Energy capitol of the world in houston. Canada is...the 9th largest economy in the world. To claim that the US needs Canada is ludicrous. We can buy YOUR oil elsewhere. Stop trying to wag the dog. We don't need canada.
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Gino
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How 'bout we stop 'copying & pasting' everything and speak what is on OUR minds and not the propaganda ?? Nothing wrong having articles to back up your statements, but who is gonna take time away from their busy day to read mostly garbage ?? The whole playing field is so filled with mixed signals, misstatements and just plain lies, ya can't believe just about all of it.
All I know is back in the 60's we'd scrape up a dollar and get about 3 gallons of gas, put it into our huge v8's and cruise the rest of the night. Now, you can't even get 1 gallon for 3 bucks. Talk bout times have changed. Then, in 1973, when the countries supplying us got mad and took their oil back with their embargo, there was massive gas rationing and all kinds of stunts being pulled. That was really bad. Who here remembers those long lines to get 1/2 a tank ??
All I know is back in the 60's we'd scrape up a dollar and get about 3 gallons of gas, put it into our huge v8's and cruise the rest of the night. Now, you can't even get 1 gallon for 3 bucks. Talk bout times have changed. Then, in 1973, when the countries supplying us got mad and took their oil back with their embargo, there was massive gas rationing and all kinds of stunts being pulled. That was really bad. Who here remembers those long lines to get 1/2 a tank ??
Thank God someone understands things.
I'm trying to stay out of this, but the ignorance and pipe-dream rationale of bringing all manufacturing back to the US or North America in general is astounding.
I'm no economics major but come on, how can some people not grasp how impractical, if not impossible, it is to actually manufacture everything in the US. Have you ever thought about WHY most labor and manufacturing is performed by third world countries?? What's minimum wage in your state? That's a week for some countries. (Not saying that's okay, just saying it how it is) Now apply that to every single product that people buy and suddenly the people that are so excited to bring manufacturing back can't even afford to buy said goods.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for countries doing their own manufacturing, and think it would be awesome for more of that to come back, but are we really prepared to pay 5-10x for the same products just so we can say they were made in the US?? I doubt it. Some things, like tools and equipment sure. But not every day commodities, raw materials, building products, etc.
There is a reason global trade is a thing, and has worked since the beginning of time. Just like us poor Canadians can't grow oranges or plantains, US can't make their own aluminum, etc etc etc - being able to trade (peacefully) between nations is crucial to everyone's survival, and instead it's being manipulated in a ridiculous joke of a power play.
Pretty much this. Surprisingly, most of the back and fourth on here has been pretty civil.... but I've tried to stay out of it because it feels like for the most part, 1 side feels one thing, the other feels another... Those for the tarrifs have a bunch of news snippets parroting how it's going to be good for America.... those against it also have news snippets about how it's going to be bad for it.
But I view it like you do - Theres nothing wrong with bringing jobs back to America... but realistically... Can you do it all at once? And why threaten to Anex canada, and greenland, and panama canal, and a bunch of other places while doing so... Trump isn't a god, but some people act like he is.... Some people can't take anything criticism about how, or what he's doing, because he can't be wrong. I'm not saying thats people on here... Like I said, I'm genuinely surprised the fighting has been as low as it has been.
Another thing to ask yourself, if you're fighting a war... do you fight it on multiple fronts, all at once? IF the goal really was to bring manufacturing and stuff back to USA... Why tarrif everyone, all at once, on pretty much everything? Americas got a good economy, If they were just fighting Canada I'm sure they'd win... But put USA's Economy against Mexico, Canada, Europe, Australia, China, Ireland... Pretty much whatever country is on Trumps mind, all at the same time and you guys are going to lose. But lets say by some miracle of god, its not a loss... Why fight everyone, all at once, and crash the market all at once? it just hurts the people. Not to mention it allows people to team up and hit USA where it hosts the most with co-ordinated efforts and tarrifs... and gives the opportunity for all the countries affected to trade with eachother, instead of cutting them off.
We can talk about crude oil, potash, How canadas pretty much the only aluminum supplier that makes high grade aluminum which USA needs... Dozens of other items, but I think everyone sees and reads that in the news daily. You have all the major manufacturers of vehicles saying its impossible to just move all production over, and it's going to increase vehicle cost by a crapload... So if people don't believe what the "Professionals" are saying, theres no point in arguing aside from a wait and see approach.
BUT if anything, you guys should ask what strategic benefit hitting every country all at once has. Theres either an ulterior motive going on... Or the person in charge doesn't know what he's doing. I used to think he was just an idiot, but the longer this going on I feel like he really wants to Annex Canada into USA. It doesn't explain the other countries he's hitting, but he hasn't shut up about it, every single day theres a post.
Another thing to ask yourself - What if russia, or China, or another big country was imposing tarrifs on USA and said they wont stop until USA becomes a part of China? Maybe you can understand why Canadians feel, and think the way we do about him. And while you're imagining that...go take a look at the trade imbalance of China VS USA.... And ask why china isn't putting tarrifs on USA for being at a 300 billion trade deficit, Chinas came out of being a Third world country, with one of the strongest economies.... So why is a trade deficit bad for America, but china can make it work? Why isnt china screaming theyre being ripped off because USA has a 300 billion deficit? Because Trade is good for both countries... You can throw around terms like Trade deficit and most people will buy into the "being ripped off" because people arent economists, So when theyre told it means theyre being ripped off, and big numbers are thrown around, they believe it.
There is a high tariff like that on dairy products. But it's only after a certain amount of dairy product has been exported without any tariff. This is according to the USMCA. That limit has never been exceeded since the treaty was negotiated. So I guess that's proof that tariffs work. Nobody wants to pay it so nobody dumps milk on the Canadian market.
semantics are the devil in mix aren't they? the agreement between the USA and Canada does provide for dairy tariffs up to and I believe in some situations exceeding 300% -- HOWEVER, the tariffs are ramped up based on total volume of product being sold from USA to Canada. Currently (and I believe historically) Canada has not purchased enough dairy to hit the largest tariffs.
To answer a different question - when the USA "Dairyland" was being made (Wisconsin and vicinity that have well established and deep dairy production) Canada was a good market. Canada imposed heavy tariffs on USA's dairy to help the local Canadian dairy industry...
CanuckSigns
Active Member
Yes Canada has a heavily regulated dairy industry, we used to not import any US Dairy at all as a protection for our own dairy farmers, plus a lot of the hormones in US milk is not allowed in Canadian dairy. When Trump re-negotiated NAFTA during his first term, one of the "wins" he got was access for the US dairy industry in Canada, there are still tariffs but they only kick in after a certain amount of US dairy is imported, as so far to date we have not imported enough dairy to hit this minimum, therefore all dairy the USA currently sends to Canada is tariff free.
you just add to my point that it is a semantic issue -- stepped tariffs that are in a trade situation below the threshold of the steps is still called a "tariff" by many people. However, it seems by your statement of "...all dairy the USA currently sends to Canada is tariff free." you are of the other opinion - that just because you are below the threshold of the stepped tariff means there are no tariffs....
both points can be considered valid - it behooves people involved in a conversation to figure out what definition of "tariff" is being used.
example: IF for some reason there is a Canadian Bovine Virus that only attacks the mammary glands of the Canadian cow - so that Canadian dairy production drops 99% next week (yes, totally hypothetical) -- triggering Canada to purchase all of the USA produced dairy possible - (this is the scenario, current legislation, no emergency orders, just what is written on the books now) -- then there would be tariffs charged at the published 200-300% because there currently are stepped dairy tariffs from Canada on USA dairy.
Yes, please, and one that cites sources and preferably peer reviewed....