US Tariffs, Sigh!

[BigNate]

It would appear that if Ford could produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days, then you actually proved my point of a company shifting gears and setting up a decent production line in a short time period.

please just dive a little deeper into the complexities and problems they had - as well as what percentage of the 'global ventilator population' was actually from companies shifting production -- and remember this was also an incredibly expensive changeover that used similar technology to what the factories already produced. Semi-conductors are much different.

again, I truly hope your opinion on how fast things can change over is correct - in practice and examples in life tend to, in my opinion, point to factories not being able to come back quickly after having been abandoned -- heck, even after being 'mothballed' it is still incredibly expensive to bring things back. If I leave my 700w sitting unplugged for only 6 months, the techs would absolutely say it can be resurrected, but it would be exponentially less expensive to just buy a new one... likely the same situation will happen with the current obsolete chip plants we have here -- cheaper to build new ones (at an incredibly high price) than to try to re-tool obsolete factories to meet the demands of modern chip manufacturing.

 

[JBurton]

We had a NHB section years ago which was to let your ego at the front door before entering, but most people couldn't do that. Tempers flared along with fighting words and all kindsa putrid names and remarks. It really alienated the site into two camps. I don't think it ever totally recovered. I blame freddie for that move. A bunch of us were in a committee and I voted against it. This is the same thing all over again. If the canadians and us can't get along on a frickin' sign forum...... it's no wonder they can't in politics.

This seems to be a pretty volatile thread, and it appears to be very contained within. I like to see the civil discourse, and for the moment the site is staying civil. Heck, the scammers/spammers are more of a distraction than this thread as far as most folks perusing the site.

 

[Geneva Olson]

please just dive a little deeper into the complexities and problems they had - as well as what percentage of the 'global ventilator population' was actually from companies shifting production -- and remember this was also an incredibly expensive changeover that used similar technology to what the factories already produced. Semi-conductors are much different.

again, I truly hope your opinion on how fast things can change over is correct - in practice and examples in life tend to, in my opinion, point to factories not being able to come back quickly after having been abandoned -- heck, even after being 'mothballed' it is still incredibly expensive to bring things back. If I leave my 700w sitting unplugged for only 6 months, the techs would absolutely say it can be resurrected, but it would be exponentially less expensive to just buy a new one... likely the same situation will happen with the current obsolete chip plants we have here -- cheaper to build new ones (at an incredibly high price) than to try to re-tool obsolete factories to meet the demands of modern chip manufacturing.

come now, nate. you went to college. did you quit when it got too hard?

 

[BigNate]

come now, nate. you went to college. did you quit when it got too hard?

so now YOU are trying to throw zingers? and no - never stopped learning... when did you give up?

 

[JBurton]

come now, nate. you went to college. did you quit when it got too hard?

Look, that's a dig and a dodge. You can't call foul when others are flinging sh*t and act like you aren't doing the same.

when did you give up?

Bro, now c'mon.

 

[Geneva Olson]

so now YOU are trying to throw zingers? and no - never stopped learning... when did you give up?

Nate...i'm the one saying we can having manufacturing jobs in america...that's the OPPOSITE of giving up....

 

[Geneva Olson]

Look, that's a dig and a dodge. You can't call foul when others are flinging sh*t and act like you aren't doing the same.

it's only a dig if he's offended. and that's not my problem. the point is: again. when life gets hard, do you quit or keep going and figure out a way to succeed?

 

[Boudica]

 

[BigNate]

it's only a dig if he's offended. and that's not my problem. the point is: again. when life gets hard, do you quit or keep going and figure out a way to succeed?

I am not offended.

I just find it very interesting that when you bring up a point - like ventilators, then the data doesn't really fit your argument, you then just change the subject.... I asked you to dig just a little deeper into the actual technical specifications of what it takes to bring back a semi-conductor factory vs a ventilator factory (and to even look at what Ford and even Tesla had to go through to make ventilators) --- rather than stating facts of any indication that you actually understand what it takes to make a modern chip you challenge my education? If I remember correctly from debate, if one knows their subject enough to truly have a debate about it, they should be able to argue either side --- one should absolutely be able to backup their argument with examples showing depth of knowledge and have no need to change the subject.

 

[BigNate]

Look, that's a dig and a dodge. You can't call foul when others are flinging sh*t and act like you aren't doing the same.

Bro, now c'mon.

Yeah, I'm only human... but in fairness, it was the exact same sh*t flung back....

 

[Geneva Olson]

I am not offended.

I just find it very interesting that when you bring up a point - like ventilators, then the data doesn't really fit your argument, you then just change the subject.... I asked you to dig just a little deeper into the actual technical specifications of what it takes to bring back a semi-conductor factory vs a ventilator factory (and to even look at what Ford and even Tesla had to go through to make ventilators) --- rather than stating facts of any indication that you actually understand what it takes to make a modern chip you challenge my education? If I remember correctly from debate, if one knows their subject enough to truly have a debate about it, they should be able to argue either side --- one should absolutely be able to backup their argument with examples showing depth of knowledge and have no need to change the subject.

Because I

 

[Geneva Olson]

Your question on whether I actually know what goes into making semiconductors seems moot. Because I've stated previously that our country has 732 semiconductors factories. ON TOP of other countries have made a deal with trump to bring in their companies to make semiconductors to avoid the tariffs. As I understand your plight, its that we can't make the same quality of semiconductors as china?! Or that we can't keep up with the production? Or that our technology is lacking? None of that has to do with whether I know how semiconductors are manufactured. It has no bearing in the argument.
I am 100% certain that this team in the white house has problem solved all of this and are currently working through problems.
How do I know? They are on the news everyday telling us what they are doing. All you have to do is watch what they say. Then watch their actions. Be skeptical, ask questions.

 

[BigNate]

I am 100% certain that this team in the white house has problem solved all of this and are currently working through problems.
How do I know? They are on the news everyday telling us what they are doing. All you have to do is watch what they say. Then watch their actions. Be skeptical, ask questions.

I truly hope your faith is well spent. I say do not listen to what they are saying, but rather watch what they actually do (and then compare to what they have said....)

 

[Geneva Olson]

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I truly hope your faith is well spent. I say do not listen to what they are saying, but rather watch what they actually do (and then compare to what they have said....)

Agree 100% on watching what they do. I'll listen too. Because I want to know what he's going to do.

 

[MP Custom]

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Agree 100% on watching what they do. I'll listen too. Because I want to know what he's going to do.

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Agree 100% on watching what they do. I'll listen too. Because I want to know what he's going to do.

Hi. Aussie here, reading this message board with no skin in the game.
I'm just a little confused as to why you seem to take everything the current administration says as gospel.
It is well documented how much your current President lies, and the press secretary has been caught out lying in almost every appearance on television. I am very interested in what is happening to the US as it impacts the world, and potentially my children's future. I feel that nothing coming from the white house can be trusted.
The rest of the world cannot trust America again. Unfortunately, I think the ordinary Americans are the ones that will suffer the most.
And I say that respectfully as a neutral observer. Who's country, by the way is now profiting from the tariffs, as other countries are paying high for our beef, grain, and natural resources.
We just got a 1.5 billion dollar deal for natural gas that used to come from the US.
I cannot see the endgame at all.
And I wish you all the best in these Interesting times.

 

[MP Custom]

the end game is for us to manufacture and build our own products. over the years, our government has pushed our own companies to stop producing and encouraged us to buy overseas.


occams razor man. the most obvious answer is the answer.

That is going to take decades. And trump is disabling education, who will design and implement these initiatives?
There will be plenty of workers, as unemployed is rising rapidly, but they will be on minimum wage, which is still higher than Asian countries.
So expect prices to double for made in USA products. And good luck having all the resources to replicate what the rest of the world manufactures.

 

[ddarlak]

MAGAts love him because his soul is as black as theirs, it's that simple.

This will pass and we will recover. But we will never be looked at again like the America the saved Europe from Hitler.

Eat the Billionaires

 

[MP Custom]

I don't want to be political. I'm just saying as an outside observer. But the fact that no one wants to visit there anymore due to the fear of being detained for any reason, costing the US economy Billions, says a lot. So many people being laid off, and gutting social security so they have no fall back doesn't seem to be the work of a democracy. And manipulation of the stock market and bragging about how much your friends made from the suffering of small investors, while selling meme coins and "teslers" (It's all computer!") Doesn't seem to be the actions of a person who wants to MAGA. .
As I said, just a person looking in with a shocked expression on my face.
If it happened here in Australia, we would overturn the government. And we don't have the 2nd amendment. We would use eggs. We have them cheap here.

 

[MP Custom]

That is going to take decades. And trump is disabling education, who will design and implement these initiatives?
There will be plenty of workers, as unemployed is rising rapidly, but they will be on minimum wage, which is still higher than Asian countries.
So expect prices to double for made in USA products. And good luck having all the resources to replicate what the rest of the world manufactures.

Ps. America is deporting the cheapest labour force and stuffing them into death camps.
And this is ok?
Who is going to work in these new factories?
Why can I see this but you can't?

 

[GAC05]

Looks like the crises is starting to wind down. The President must have secretly lifted the egg tariff, maybe at the same time he carved out the cell phones & microchips.

These cost $12.00 here just a few weeks ago: