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Waxing before or after?

Discussion in 'Vinyl' started by BSTCLOTHING, May 17, 2011.

  1. BSTCLOTHING

    BSTCLOTHING New Member

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    Should a vehicle be waxed before or after the vinyl is applied? Im using Oracal 651 calendar vinyl.
     
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  2. houseofgrafix

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    not before and not after
     
  3. HulkSmash

    HulkSmash Major Contributor

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    1st.. no
    2nd.. calendered vinyl on vehicles? Typical.
     
  4. Custom_Grafx

    Custom_Grafx Very Active Member

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    Definitely before.

    Unless it's a long term quality graphic which you're getting paid for.
     
  5. BSTCLOTHING

    BSTCLOTHING New Member

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    Thanks for the sarcasm. Its for my shop truck in which i change a lot.
     
  6. HulkSmash

    HulkSmash Major Contributor

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    never cheap out on your own wrap - it just reflects on the kind of work you do for your customers
     
  7. BSTCLOTHING

    BSTCLOTHING New Member

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    I can respect constructive criticism, i appreciate that. Would 751 be a better choice? Also im not doing a full wrap, just some lettering on the doors and bed.
     
  8. CheapVehicleWrap

    CheapVehicleWrap Very Active Member

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    He said cheap wrap.
     
  9. Sticky Signs

    Sticky Signs Very Active Member

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    If its only temporary, than yes you can wax. This will make removal much easier. However, it it's suppose to last a while, you should de-wax and de-grease before applying.
     
  10. Jillbeans

    Jillbeans Major Contributor

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    Only use cast vynull on vehicles, especially your own.
    I always match the quality of the material to the substrate on which it will be applied.
    Love....Jill
     
  11. Pat Whatley

    Pat Whatley Major Contributor

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    Ummm....I'm gonna disagree with y'all this time. For us calendared Oracal 651 is lasting a lot longer on vehicles and removing later a lot cleaner than most cast vinyls we use, especially Oracal 751.

    If you're changing it a lot I'd wax it then apply 651 and worry in the least about it lasting five years.
     
  12. bob

    bob Major Contributor

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    Just remember that the vinyl sticks to whatever is there. Be it dirt, wax, bugs, or paint. If whatever is there is not part of the paint...figure it out.
     
  13. HulkSmash

    HulkSmash Major Contributor

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    Do not wax your car before you put a wrap/decal on it.
    simple as that
     
  14. Flame

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    I kind of have to agree. I have a job that's pushing past 8 years old now with 651, about 250 sq. ft. of black. Used on a construction vehicle, and it's not even peeling. That stuff is friggin durable!

    But to answer your question, leave wax alone. It's a PITA to wax over cut lettering, but can be done But if you wax before, your lettering sure won't last very long. Just think about it for a sec...it's a film over your vehicle. Your decal is going to bond to this film, NOT the vehicle, thus making it come off far easier.
     
  15. SlightlyChilled

    SlightlyChilled Very Active Member

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    I was told by Oracal that the only real difference from 651/751 is the color group 751 has more... As for lasting they are 99.999% the same....
     
  16. Graphics2u

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    651 Calendered 751 Cast

    However I agree with Pat and Flame. 651 is very good material and if it's going on fairly flat panels I'd have no trouble using it on vehicles. 751 will no doubt hold up better in the long run though. Depends on the price your customer is willing to pay, offer them a choice.
     
  17. jc1cell

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    I usually work everything in 951. My clients have complained about price, but when I explain some of the possible issues with lower grade vinyl they approve.

    jc
     
  18. Sign-Man Signs

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    Us to Pat. We've been using 651 for years with good results. I have a company van that's had the same 651 on for 4 years now. Trick...Armour-All. It's vinyl! I tell my customers same thing. No complaints.
     
  19. SlightlyChilled

    SlightlyChilled Very Active Member

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    I understand cast and cal.. What I was getting at is the longevity is about the same per oracal :)
     
  20. Pat Whatley

    Pat Whatley Major Contributor

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    I do lettering for a large office park. One of the maintenance guys goes around every few months and sprays the tenant signs with Black Magic Foaming Tire Shine.....just sprays it and drives to the next sign. He says it strips off the bird poop and road grime, keeps the letters shiny, and keeps the paint from oxidizing. It also makes relettering the signs a ***** because getting that stuff off the panels takes forever.
     
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