BSTCLOTHING
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Should a vehicle be waxed before or after the vinyl is applied? Im using Oracal 651 calendar vinyl.
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Waxing before or after?
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houseofgrafix
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not before and not after
HulkSmash
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Custom_Grafx
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Definitely before.
Unless it's a long term quality graphic which you're getting paid for.
Unless it's a long term quality graphic which you're getting paid for.
BSTCLOTHING
New Member
Thanks for the sarcasm. Its for my shop truck in which i change a lot.
HulkSmash
New Member
never cheap out on your own wrap - it just reflects on the kind of work you do for your customers
BSTCLOTHING
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I can respect constructive criticism, i appreciate that. Would 751 be a better choice? Also im not doing a full wrap, just some lettering on the doors and bed.
CheapVehicleWrap
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He said cheap wrap.
Sticky Signs
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If its only temporary, than yes you can wax. This will make removal much easier. However, it it's suppose to last a while, you should de-wax and de-grease before applying.
Pat Whatley
New Member
Ummm....I'm gonna disagree with y'all this time. For us calendared Oracal 651 is lasting a lot longer on vehicles and removing later a lot cleaner than most cast vinyls we use, especially Oracal 751.
If you're changing it a lot I'd wax it then apply 651 and worry in the least about it lasting five years.
If you're changing it a lot I'd wax it then apply 651 and worry in the least about it lasting five years.
bob
It's better to have two hands than one glove.
Just remember that the vinyl sticks to whatever is there. Be it dirt, wax, bugs, or paint. If whatever is there is not part of the paint...figure it out.
Flame
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I kind of have to agree. I have a job that's pushing past 8 years old now with 651, about 250 sq. ft. of black. Used on a construction vehicle, and it's not even peeling. That stuff is friggin durable!
But to answer your question, leave wax alone. It's a PITA to wax over cut lettering, but can be done But if you wax before, your lettering sure won't last very long. Just think about it for a sec...it's a film over your vehicle. Your decal is going to bond to this film, NOT the vehicle, thus making it come off far easier.
SlightlyChilled
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I was told by Oracal that the only real difference from 651/751 is the color group 751 has more... As for lasting they are 99.999% the same....
Graphics2u
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651 Calendered 751 Cast
However I agree with Pat and Flame. 651 is very good material and if it's going on fairly flat panels I'd have no trouble using it on vehicles. 751 will no doubt hold up better in the long run though. Depends on the price your customer is willing to pay, offer them a choice.
Sign-Man Signs
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Us to Pat. We've been using 651 for years with good results. I have a company van that's had the same 651 on for 4 years now. Trick...Armour-All. It's vinyl! I tell my customers same thing. No complaints.
SlightlyChilled
New Member
I understand cast and cal.. What I was getting at is the longevity is about the same per oracal 
Pat Whatley
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I do lettering for a large office park. One of the maintenance guys goes around every few months and sprays the tenant signs with Black Magic Foaming Tire Shine.....just sprays it and drives to the next sign. He says it strips off the bird poop and road grime, keeps the letters shiny, and keeps the paint from oxidizing. It also makes relettering the signs a bitch because getting that stuff off the panels takes forever.