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What is it with laminate?

Discussion in 'Digital Printing' started by GVP, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. GVP

    GVP Active Member

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    Perhaps I just can't see it, but why oh why do they not make laminate slightly narrower than the vinyl - say 53" for 54" vinyl? It seems on the face of it such an obvious thing to do? Is it a conspiracy by the kraft paper manufacturers? :help
     
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  2. Gene@mpls

    Gene@mpls Very Active Member

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    I always thought that would be good too- when we buy lam for our Edge
    print vinyl it comes 13" wide- the print is 12" and you cannot cover the
    perfs on the edge of the vinyl if you are going to contour cut it.
     
  3. J Hill Designs

    J Hill Designs Major Contributor

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    why oh why would you laminate an edge print? (I guess unless it's for MX decals)
     
  4. Replicator

    Replicator Major Contributor

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    Oh' Why Oh' Why Oh' Why ? ? ?
     
  5. javila

    javila Active Member

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    210 is 54"
     
  6. Artildawn

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    It's marketing collateral... with the size mismatch, then an additional item can be sold, i.e. the backing paper.

    Same reason that hot dogs and hot dog buns come in different quantities.
     
  7. Charlie J

    Charlie J Very Active Member

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    Why not take an inch off with a chop saw?
     
  8. Sign Works

    Sign Works Very Active Member

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    Why oh why would anyone within the industry have to ask such a question?

    * Abrasion Resistance
    * Chemical Resistance
    * Extended UV Durability
    * Enhanced Color / Gloss
    * Upsale To A Higher Level Quality Product
    * Piece Of Mind
    * Etc. Etc. Etc.

    I do not own and Edge printer but all my Roland thermal resin prints get laminated.
     
  9. J Hill Designs

    J Hill Designs Major Contributor

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  10. B Snyder

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    I use a lot of 50" wide Oracal 210. What does kraft paper have to do with laminate sizes?
     
  11. Baz

    Baz Very Active Member

    Oracal and 3M have 54" laminate. Same size as my vinyl. No complaints here. A person would use Kraft paper if the laminate was larger than the vinyl. Paper would go under the vinyl so the extra laminat gets stuck on the paper and not on the roller.
     
  12. Artildawn

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    depending on the laminator design, if the lamination exceeds the size of the piece being laminated then you need the backing (kraft paper usually) to prevent the machine from laminating itself and thus jamming.

    ... and yes it's a conspiracy ;)
     
  13. threeputt

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    Or, how about like on ours, where the laminate would immediately stick to the bottom roller when the piece you're laminating clears the roller?

    Don't think there's anyway around the Kraft paper issue. We buy ours in the 60" rolls. Laminate and media in the 54" rolls.

    Is there any other way?
     
  14. Flame

    Flame Major Contributor

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    I still crack up that people buy kraft paper....
     
  15. Adam Bennett

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    we never use kraft paper. same size lam as vinyl.
     
  16. Baz

    Baz Very Active Member

    The longest pieces i laminate are usually 20-30 feet. At that lenght i can be off almost a half inch at the worst of times (usually do it under a quarter inch). My laminate doesn't stick to the roller. I have never used Kraft paper or a backer board (like some like to use). I have a RS 1400C.
     
  17. cgsigns_jamie

    cgsigns_jamie Very Active Member

    I used to think craft paper was the only way....

    Then I saw this thread .... http://www.signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51809&highlight=laminator+craft+paper
    And found this video .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvc96adEVyI
     
  18. astro8

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    Never use craft paper...even if the print is 2-3 inches narrower than the laminate....never sticks to the rollers.
     
  19. B Snyder

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    I see. Makes sense. Never had that issue. I use 50" and 54" laminate on 54" media with a Daige QM4. If I have something small I printed on a scrap cut-off I just laminate it by hand on my work table.
     
  20. Bigdawg

    Bigdawg Just Me

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    Me too... and I've been known to foolishly lam short 36" wide pieces of perf with the 54" laminate so i don't have to change it over.... can we say "hold your hands high over your head" as the piece comes out?

    I get nothing but wrinkles and creases with kraft paper.
     
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