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What kind of vinyl this could be?

Discussion in 'Digital Printing' started by Amazing Roy, Aug 25, 2020.

  1. Amazing Roy

    Amazing Roy New Member

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    Hi, I ordered 3M cast IJ180 graphics from a big wholesale vendor and they sent me graphics with different backing I'm used getting. When I called them they said it is IJ180 but I suspect it is not. Take a look at the backing image and let me know what you think. IMG_3688.jpg
     
  2. Notarealsignguy

    Notarealsignguy Very Active Member

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    Doesnt 3m have a sticker inside of the core?
     
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  3. Dutchman

    Dutchman New Member

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    Looks like IJ35 Calendered vinyl.
     
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  4. 2B

    2B Very Active Member

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    What does the tag say in the core roll?

    Is the material air release?
    that is the quickest way to tell if it is ElectroCut vs wrap material
     
  5. myront

    myront CorelDRAW is best

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    Only stuff we have with a backer like that is IJ35 which we have priced lower as an everyday yard sign type vinyl. We use IJ180 for most vehicle wraps and occasionally for outdoor signage.

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  6. Billct2

    Billct2 Major Contributor

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    Most wholesalers don't ship vinyl graphics with a core.....
     
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  7. WYLDGFI

    WYLDGFI Merchant Member

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    We ship ALL prints on cores FYI. Keeps them protected and preserved for shipping.

    You ordered the good stuff and got the cheap crap. That is not 180cv3....Controltak on the back with a much darker watermark. Big whore wholesalers....lol. BUT....IJ40-C comes with the same adhesive as the 180 & backer liner. IJ40 is still a calendared vinyl.
     

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  8. Boudica

    Boudica Active Member

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    IJ35C 10 if it's glossy, 20 if it's matte
     
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  9. Amazing Roy

    Amazing Roy New Member

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    Thank you, guys. It felt like calandered vinyl with air release but I wasn't sure. I appreciate your inputs.
     
  10. JBurton

    JBurton Signtologist

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    At best it's 40c
     
  11. WYLDGFI

    WYLDGFI Merchant Member

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    40C has the same controltak watermark on the back side as 180
     
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  12. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    ScotchCal is their calendared products. If its air release, it is IJ35c.
     
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  13. JBurton

    JBurton Signtologist

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    I could have sworn 40c had the grey labeling...
    This explains (partially) why the ATM wraps sent in for a bank job jumped off so fast. I knew something was up after laying hands on the material, which they evidently admitted to using 40 in place of 180, but I guess they really screwed the bank over and ran them all on 35...
     
  14. WYLDGFI

    WYLDGFI Merchant Member

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    We use quite a bit of the 40c Controltak. Have to be careful because it can be confused somewhat after laminating. Operators have to realize our matte 3m controltak is the 40 & the glossy controltak is the 180.
     
  15. Amazing Roy

    Amazing Roy New Member

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    So, my fear is confirmed here. It is calandered vinyl and I installed it on a vehicle :mad:. should I get an official opinion before I go back and ask for my money back? Does anybody know how can I find who is 3M rep in my area?
     
  16. jfiscus

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    Contact your vinyl distributor (Like Grimco/Fellers) and they should be able to tell you who your local 3M rep is.

    I've put IJ35c on a few cheaper customers' vehicles in the past without issues, not full wraps, but print/cut graphics.
     
  17. WYLDGFI

    WYLDGFI Merchant Member

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    If you installed it on a vehicle....you might be in trouble. Ask for your money back from the vendor without a doubt. Take the photos I sent...3m controltak backer and the one you have of the scotch cal and prove to them they sent the wrong stuff.
    Be honest with your client and tell them if anything goes wrong you'll warranty it and replace it. Honesty is the best thing here with your client. You might **** em off...but, you've been up front with them and hopefully earn their respect. The easiest way to get out of a not-so-good situation like this is to fess up and assure your client you are on the ball with it. Honesty is the best policy.
     
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  18. MI Bearcat

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    35C is a permanent adhesive. The longer it's on the vehicle the harder it will be to remove.
     
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  19. karst41

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    A roll of IJ180cvs cost $585
    A Roll of IJ 35c-10 or 20 cost $212.
    A Roll of IJ 40 is $420 ish? I do not use it.
     
  20. karst41

    karst41 Member

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    It removes decently after 5 years, but we are also heating with Manchesters.
    Adhesive cleans up with a little xylene on a rag.
    Or if still warm adhesive to adhesive gets it too. Just takes longer.

    Cheers
     
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