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Wrapping with calendered

Discussion in 'Vehicle Wraps' started by Tony Rome, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. Tony Rome

    Tony Rome Active Member

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    I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with wrapping w/ calendered vinyl (I am doing a partial each side of a Econoline Van, no bumpers just 3 vertical sheets per side from driver back, no wrap around).
    I was going to use Arlon DPF4560GTX it is considered a wrap vinyl in Fellers but some have said never used calendered to wrap, is this true?
    Also, is laminating a calendered with a cast a waste (that is what Fellers told me) and now I ended up ordering the Arlon 3420G which is 3Mil, and I am not sure this is smart.
    SO...before I start, any helpful opinions, advice, answers?
    THANKS YOU!
     
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  2. CheapVehicleWrap

    CheapVehicleWrap Very Active Member

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    Plenty of experience removing.
     
  3. Circleville Signs

    Circleville Signs Very Active Member

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    If you aren't going around any complex curves, and you make sure to REALLY clean the surface and all the nooks, AND you make sure to use plenty of primer, AND you make the client aware that this is not the recommended solution, THEN you are fine.

    I've done plenty of this type of stuff with high end intermediate materials - especially box trucks.

    Just cover all your bases.
     
  4. Circleville Signs

    Circleville Signs Very Active Member

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    Also, make sure you laminate - and never mix materials. Cast + calendared = nightmare.
     
  5. Tony Rome

    Tony Rome Active Member

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    OK well thank you.
    So far I called Arlon, and they said the same, do not use calendered for what I am doing.
    My whole issue started when I tried getting a less expensive solution then 3M, I know the stuff is great but, too costly and I believe the playing field is a little more leveled now.

    OK, so I am re-ordering my material I will get cast vinyl and laminate.
    I was looking at either
    Arlon 6000XRP with 3420 Lam
    Any other suggestions?
    THANKS
     
  6. FatCat

    FatCat Very Active Member

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    Contact BigFish - a Merchant Member on here. I believe just a month or two ago he was promoting a new line of wrapping cast and he offered a trial of 1/2 roll of the print media and matching laminate for like $399? *Not sure if that price is exact, but should be pretty close.
     
  7. ChicagoGraphics

    ChicagoGraphics Major Contributor

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    Wasn't that for a nobrand name cobo?
     
  8. FatCat

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    Yes, I think it was going to be their new "house brand". I believe Gary at Circleville bought some to try. Drop him a line to find out his experience.
     
  9. cajun312

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    I use the 6000XRP and 3420 combo and I've had no issues with it.
     
  10. Tony Rome

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    Thanks guys.

    I think I have it narrowed down to
    Arlon 6000XRP with 3420 Lam
    or Oracal 3751 with 290 Lam

    What are your opinions?
    $200 price difference for the kits.
     
  11. mudmedia

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    I hate arlon but I have heard a lot of people say it has the same air release adhesive as the oracal but it seemed harder to install for me. Might not be the same for others though.
     
  12. Circleville Signs

    Circleville Signs Very Active Member

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    How long do they want it to last? What is the climate like where the vehicle will be in service?

    There are lots of questions here that need to be answered before anyone can make a reasonable suggestion.
     
  13. Circleville Signs

    Circleville Signs Very Active Member

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    On the note of Arlon, the adhesive is SUPER aggressive. That is my biggest complaint with it. It will stay where you put it - but that makes it not so much fun to install.
     
  14. Tony Rome

    Tony Rome Active Member

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    Yes, but I think the 3751 was a newer type they came out with, for that reason.
    At least that is what I heard.
     
  15. Circleville Signs

    Circleville Signs Very Active Member

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    Arlon doesn't make 3751 - Oracal does.
     
  16. Tony Rome

    Tony Rome Active Member

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    my bad, i am losing it.
    But I meant there was an Oracal that was popular for a while and then people were complaining it was too tacky so they came out with a newer one with less initial tack.
     
  17. 300mphGraphics

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    Long term on a vehicle, cast on cast always. Short term on a flat surface on a vehicle, I'll use the calendared Arlon with cast lam. I've tried the Feller's and other suppliers suggestion of calendared with a cast lam to save $ and have watched them all curl at the edges or pop out of the recessed areas.
     
  18. HulkSmash

    HulkSmash Major Contributor

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    Just use the right stuff, and stop ruining the wrap market.
    No you do not use calendered on vehicles. Period.

    I'm not trying to be a know it all, but using calendered is the wrong way to do it, it will fail. no matter how flat it is.
     
  19. signworldusinc

    signworldusinc Merchant Member

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    We have a high performance vinyl /w air release and matching laminate combo for $500. both 54" x 164' rolls. We have some clients who switched from using their Arlon 6000XRP and said the quality was just as good; if not better. Feel free to give us a try and you are welcome to request for any free samples to try. PM us if you are interested.

    http://www.display-wholesale.com/servlet/the-190/Signworld-High-Performance-Air/Detail

    Warm regards,
    Signworld Team
     
  20. ProWraps

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    you will waste more time in labor installing that than you would doing the job the right way and using a product like 180c. do it right and it WILL save you money. both upfront, and on the back end.
     
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