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yes, drive it home with the word, but not the bold type I hope :omg: glad you can my suggestion. I think the reference to the value of a gift is ALWAYS critical, or you become partly responsible for devaluing your services... as Royster says, and you obviously know from experience... giving...

I think the latest is a winner. I too have difficulty not identifying where I've felt slighted in those worst of the worst transactions where the ball is in my court, but I just want to bean the F'n losers with it... so I've left a few jabs in my emails on a lot of such situations. Your re-write...

first, I want to say this thread is great & I too would like to extend my appreciation to our capt design cop, because in this case I think he has done us all a service by helping get this conversation out in front of us with such a current & perfect example. That said, I guess I also owe him a...

I would do 2 layers & try 8 pass. No advice can take the place of running some test prints though. If you don't have some white plex & the means to simulate a light box, I suggest you get one.

absolutely perfect!! nice, short, professional, & fair!

umm not in acrobat reader though... and not without correct fonts, and not at all if the designer doesn't want them too...

yeah & "electro-pouncing" too... who can forget following a wooden yardstick for a nice straight edge, and then running into that little metal end *ZAP!* that's one of those things you only do once.... I remember even taking some x & y move cheat sheets along with my resume on a sign job...

I'll start with the last question first.. ..do I provide native files, under what conditions and for what charge? Normally not, unless they've already paid for a logo & lost their copy, or they have become such a valuable client that I weigh the risk of losing work against the benefit of...

awesome!!

black, with red & yellow wave-like swooshies... or I know... ask ProWraps what color his shop is!

from one professional a$$hole to another... give it up.. you already know you look like a jackass, and we can all see you take pride in that... personally I've tried to chill on the jackass posts because nobody likes a jackass even if some of what you say has merit... Why not start your...

I am trying to help a client with a proposal for dimensional letters that he can add some external lighting to. The landlord wanted channel letters, but will approve the non illuminated dimensional letters my client wants, if he adds external lettering. The lighting supply stores around here...

cheers! :toasting:

I think you must have forgot the [/FUBAR] tag! :wink:

dammit dude.. yiou da bomb!!! :thumb: I wanna be like you when I grow up... seriously that is the classiest way to tell someone what I find myself wantin' to tell a lotta guys around here lately... to the point, positive attitude... :clapping: I'm copy'n that one!! :notworthy:

I love the stock photos! The least authentic looking part of the whole thing is having 2 that are identical. I don't know their proximity to each other, but if you flipped one, that might look less obvious... or even a subtle resize, shear, distort or even color shift..