2CT Media said:
We can all make predictive numbers, until this crosses the 30% mortality threshold there is nothing to fear. You want to hide, you do you, but reality is this isn't going away and there are zero measures in place to boost our medical system to handle a high critical case rate so what is flattening the curve going to amount too?
Nothing, when you all return from your hidey holes, you'll be financially devestated and still having to deal with COVID-19/20/ whatever mutation designation.
It's funny that you wrote this response to my post about the full potential of SARS-CoV-2, but you clearly didn't understand any of the points in that post. Really, that statement makes it look like you don't understand math concepts like ratio and proportion.
You must have pulled that 30% mortality rate figure out of your backside. SARS-CoV-2 needs to have a 30% mortality rate for us to take it seriously?
But just to humor that arbitrary figure,
it would have actually been better if SARS-CoV-2 had a mortality rate that high. That would have made it more similar to the MERS-CoV coronavirus. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome has a relatively high mortality rate, over 30%. Any MERS infection is usually fast, severe and often fatal. But outbreaks of MERS have all been short-lived and confined to small geographic areas. The high mortality rate causes those outbreaks to burn themselves out very quickly. The same has happened with outbreaks of Ebola. Some strains of Ebola have mortality rates as high as 90%.
What makes SARS-CoV-2 so dangerous is that it incubates for days without the infected person knowing he or she is infected
and contagious. The virus is now proven to be far more contagious than flu viruses. 80% of those infected will have only minor symptoms. But the fact this virus can easily spread on a very massive scale gives it far greater potential to kill far more people than MERS or even freaking Ebola.
Your suggestion that we
get out of our cowardly hidey holes and go back to business as usual, to avoid
financial devastation of our businesses, is just flat out stupidly reckless. Doing so would allow this virus to spread across the population unmitigated. As I said earlier, just with a 1% mortality rate over 2 million Americans would die. And that's assuming the health care system doesn't collapse. Americans doctors are already getting killed by COVID-19.
If we want to talk
financial devastation think about what would happen if millions of Americans died of the COVID-19 illness. Considering the demographics of who is most badly affected, older (and often white) Americans, the real estate and banking industries would be thrown into total upheaval. There would be a giant rash of mortgage failures. The life insurance industry wouldn't be able to absorb all those losses, assuming they would bother to cover those losses. Banking and real estate are cornerstones of our economy. Just on the individual level, a hospital stay to treat COVID-19 can utterly devastate the finances of most Americans. I'm personally not worried about possibly dying of COVID-19. I'm far more scared of getting infected and passing it to someone who could die of COVID-19. And I'm far more scared of an obscenely expensive hospital stay even with a survivable COVID-19 infection. I don't have that much money in the bank.
WildWestDesigns said:
Here is the thing, let's table mortality for a second. Don't consider it. Unlike the garden variety flu, this little bug has left some people with significantly reduce lung capacity. Those workers aren't going to be very efficient. If we have a large pool of those workers (especially if the are young), how well do you think things are going to recover if the current job seeking pool gets out of breath due to a brisk walk? Eventually, they may be able to increase stamina, but it's still going to take time. This is otherwise in shape, healthy, young individuals not the diabetics etc.
One of out every 5 confirmed infections of SARS-CoV-2 is requiring hospitalization. Patients are often developing pneumonia or at least suffering from very acute immune system responses that often lead to pneumonia. Those who survive the hospital stay may end up with varying degrees of
Pulmonary Fibrosis. It's permanent scarring of the lung tissue. The stiff, thicker tissue makes it harder to breathe. People with pulmonary fibrosis have a higher risk of future lung infections. Severe cases of fibrosis can require lung transplants.
An infection from SARS-CoV-2 will often unleash a severe immune system response. The SARS-CoV-2 virus plugs into epithelial cells in the lungs. Those cells are the protective lining in the lungs, but SARS-CoV-2 turns those cells into virus production factories. The cells fill up with replicated viruses, then burst and spread the viruses to nearby healthy cells. The immune system attacks the invaders, but the response varies from one person to the next. In some people the immune system goes into full berzerker mode attacking healthy tissue just as much as it does the viruses. Others may have immune systems too weak to put up an effective fight, letting COVID-19 strip away that whole layer of epithelial cells on its own. In either scenario the alveoli air sacs in the lungs end up exposed and seriously injured. Chances become likely for the alveoli to get infected with bacteria and lead to pneumonia. If a patient's immune system already used up most of its ammunition responding to the initial COVID-19 infection the bacterial pneumonia can end up being lethal.
If the patient is able to pull through and survive with the aid of lots of medical help, yeah, he or she may not recover 100%. Scarring of the lungs is a likely outcome.
I'm glad Trump calls it the Chinese virus and called them out on it, someone needs to. Theyre trying to re-write history and say it was from USA to begin with. I've been to china a dozen times, wife has a lot of family there... I love china, but the CCP is getting ridiculous.
