Avalanche rear window

[kev324]

I just heard that the 2nd window graphic we installed on a major client's rear window is again starting to peel. Material is Classic Vue window perf and installed on the removable rear window of a Chevy Avalanche. I don't remember what the laminate was. I can't recall ever having trouble with the window perf peeling, wondering if there is any trick to the Avalanche glass. I think during the first replacement, we thought a car wash attendant might've been too rough with it. Anybody else run into this issue?

 

[J Hill Designs]

rain-x on the glass?

 

[jfiscus]

Don't some of these windows raise/lower? Could it be the window trim peeling back the material? If not, I would check the installation; was it cut back from the edges, etc, etc.

Or, it could be that the window was not cleaned 100% and there is Armor-All or similar on the glass.

I hate window perf.

 

[AnotherSignManiac]

I actually own a chevy avalanche, and my window comes in and out. But I do have window perf on it w/o laminate, and it's peeling all the way around... I just figured it was because I didn't laminate it.

 

[gabagoo]

I had to redo 2 avalanches 2 years ago as it all peeled off. The second time around I ran that 3m pinstriping optically clear lam around the edges and it has lasted as far as I know

 

[jmb474]

I have a couple of avalanches out there with econovue on them and they are still laying as nice as they were over a year ago when I installed them.

 

[Circleville Signs]

Repeat after me -

Don't use laminate on perf
Don't use laminate on perf
Don't use laminate on perf

Now that we've cleared that up.....

You have to make 100% certain that you have stripped that glass down to the bone. We clean in 4 rounds.

1. Adhesive remover (whether there is adhesive on there or not)
2. Soap and Water
3. Adhesive remover again
4. 91% isoprophyl alcohol

Wipe down after about 10 minutes with a lint free cloth. Install. Trim back from the edges.

The end.

 

[gabagoo]

Repeat after me -

Don't use laminate on perf
Don't use laminate on perf
Don't use laminate on perf

Now that we've cleared that up.....

You have to make 100% certain that you have stripped that glass down to the bone. We clean in 4 rounds.

1. Adhesive remover (whether there is adhesive on there or not)
2. Soap and Water
3. Adhesive remover again
4. 91% isoprophyl alcohol

Wipe down after about 10 minutes with a lint free cloth. Install. Trim back from the edges.

The end.

If you dont use laminate and it rains, you cant see out the window....

 

[Circleville Signs]

I you use laminate you can NEVER see outthe window...

 

[kev324]

I'm pretty sure in Illinois it's state law that window perf on vehicle windows must be laminated. We use optically clear lam on window perf installs, I just cant recall the brand.

 

[WB]

I you use laminate you can NEVER see outthe window...

I don't think your using the right laminate..

Any optically clear laminate should work, It might be abit hazey for a couple days but after a week or 2 it should be clear up.

I would never consider doing Perf on a window without lamination.

 

[rjssigns]

Here's how it flops kids. This advice comes from my buddy that makes his living (and a darned good one) installing window film. In a nutshell there will be some glass that will NEVER hold onto anything EVER. He says glass is processed with a type of silicone. Certain batches of glass, in rare cases, will never be free of it and that is what you are experiencing.
I ended up doing van windows 3 times because of it before I called Nick and said WTF!
Give up it ain't gonna work.

Other thing is the rubber trim that outgasses/leaches and will destroy the bond at the edges. Trim back and put thin strip of lam over the edge as mentioned in a previous post. Then cross yer fingers.

Factoid: Certain Lexus SUV's will not accept tint or graphics on the glass of side and rear doors because of a factory applied coating. That was a while ago it may have changed.

 

[anotherdog]

the end of vehicle perf?

I for one won't be sad to see it go.

Personally I don't lam. I have tried optically clear and it works...sort of.

I have tried to live with perf on my back window several times (both with and without lam), but always ended up pulling it off.

 

[Tintman928]

Few weeks late on this one, but if your good with using a caulk gun, get some DOW995 structural sealant, and seal the edges of the perf down. 995 will stick to the glass and plastic trim around avalanche windows.
I'm a 21 year window film installer, and also own an avalanche, and as rjssigns said, some glass doesn't like to let anything stick to it.

 

[CheapVehicleWrap]

I'm pretty sure in Illinois it's state law that window perf on vehicle windows must be laminated. We use optically clear lam on window perf installs, I just cant recall the brand.

Calling BS.

Any window that's legally perfable is unnecessary and can be entirely blocked out on the vehicle altogether.

 

[wrapcitydesigns]

Must use 3M clear tape seal

Hey I am a 3M certified graphic installer and they taught us that use must cut a 1/4" around the glass and then use the 3M clear seal tape and the edges will never peel. Hope this helps.