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EDGE2 / Oracal Question...

Discussion in 'Gerber' started by cptcorn, May 28, 2008.

  1. cptcorn

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    I've been having a problem with Gerber Foils laying down on Oracal vinyl. I have a couple very specific jobs I use Oracal vinyl for and I've been noticing that the plastic release liner on the foil is sticking to the vinyl, and then eventually tearing the foil... Does anyone have any insight on this problem? Anyone ever run into this problem?
     
  2. WhiskeyDreamer

    WhiskeyDreamer Professional Snow Ninja

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    check your heat settings...i used to have that problem with reflective...because you're actually supposed to print 280 reflective on the 280i setting, but cut it on 280 setting...so make sure you have the vinyl set for intermediate or high performance...

    also, how old is the foil? i've started marking them cause if it's older than a year, there usually isn't much that can be done aside from replacing the foil at your cost
     
  3. cptcorn

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    The vinyl and the foils are very new.

    I've noticed that in the print there's something similar to banding in the foil when it's laid down. Another thing I noticed is that curves aren't so smooth and there seems to be a consistent waviness.

    What are some signs that a head is going out or bad...
     
  4. cptcorn

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    Here is a scan of one of the letters. Even a couple weeks ago all of this stuff printed out fine...
     

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  5. WhiskeyDreamer

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    because if you call gerber to trouble shoot, they're gonna ask the same question.....have you tried the same job on gerber vinyl?? try that, and see if it still does it...if it doesn't, then you have your problem

    is it the same roll of vinyl and same foil as a couple weeks ago??
     
  6. cptcorn

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    Ok, ran the job on 3M, Avery, and Gerber and it all looks the same...

    When I look at the foil in the cartridge, it doesn't knock out the entire letter, there are small streaks left where the entire letter should be knocked out...
     
  7. theskipman_98

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    try this, output the job to gsp>to print options> and on the right hand side box with 300x300, 300x600, Edge I>select edge I. And then print.


    http://signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31047

    This is a post somewhat simular , with an answer provided by Fred
     
  8. Service Sign Co

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    The streaks are probably because the head needs cleaning. a good sign that the print head failing is 10.5'' total height of the prints. My mother board quit last week.there goes another $1,200.00
     
  9. cptcorn

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    Here is the thing I first noticed this on...

    Printed one at 300x300 and one with EdgeI settings, but I noticed no difference at all. I also tried it on an Orcal film and a 220 film, no difference. I'm using 751 for all of this also.

    The size of the flag is 1"x2"
     

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    Cleaned the print head, and its still the same...

    Does it look like something is wrong to you all? I understand there being pixilation, but on straight lines, they should be absolutely straight...
     
  11. Service Sign Co

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    Ive never experienced that rough look on the horizontal red line before
     
  12. Bill Modzel

    Bill Modzel Active Member

    cp,
    How large is that actual V? Is it 2" or 1/2". If it's small, your just
    dealing with a general Edge issue, it's a 300 dpi printer and all small diagonals
    will show a bit of "stepping". The fact that you have a half tone happening only
    exaggerate the effect.
     
  13. Tony Teveris

    Tony Teveris Active Member

    First what software ? Omega ?.?

    I would stick with all your testing to Gerber material and Gerber foils because if in the end you need to contact Gerber you better say I'm using Gerber.

    If you are using Gerber software then within GspPlot setup your job and save the setup as a Spool file (*.SPL) and send me the spool file(s) and I'll print them here.

    To me (I'm a software guy) I would say something is wrong with the printer, tension or takeup motor. This is the best I can do.
     
  14. cptcorn

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    I am doing all of this testing on Gerber materials... I originally thought it might be an Oracal issue, since 95% of the stuff we do is with Gerber or 3M material, minus this one job. I noticed the problem initially while using Oracal film.

    Using Omega 2.1 software.

    Thanks
    Alex!
     
  15. Marlene

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    are you printing a spot color or four color process? Are you printing .plt files, .eps files or something else?
     
  16. cptcorn

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    Spot colors, .plt files...
     
  17. cptcorn

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    Here is the .spl file if anyone else wants to try and print it off... just change the .txt extension to .spl and it should work.... theoretically...

    Right click, Save As, then select All Files, and after c70 put .spl, and you shoudl be set.
     

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  18. Marlene

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    the spot foils are printed without dpi as they are solid, do you have halftones in there? I ask because the settings for them might be causing the banding.
     
  19. iSign

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    looks like the spot color was set for 95% or even 99% instead of 100%
     
  20. cptcorn

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    Sorry missed your post... the V is about 5" tall. So yeah its pretty large to have that large of "stepping" on the edges.
    No halftones... We do virtually no cmyk printing. Anyways, this stuff was was printing fine a few weeks ago. It was pointed out to me just today, so I'm not sure how long its been doing this. I don't normally operate this machine another guy does, but I know more about it than he does...
    Nope, double checked that, and everything is at 100%.
     
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