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Is this REALLY how a sign cabinet should be built?!

Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by Texas_Signmaker, Aug 5, 2020.

  1. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    I usually wholesale my cabinets to a company in Alabama and have been pleased with them. Earlier this year I installed a sign for another sign company who bought from a local manufacturer. I was impressed with the build quality and asked them to build a lighted cabinet for me. Well, I picked up the cabinet yesterday and I've never seen anything like this. The entire cabinet is so flimsy it feels like it's about to fall apart. It flexes so much under it's own weight that I feel like it's going to break.

    The backer is 3mm ACM. The side walls are bent 063 I guess? They are riveted to the ACM. There are three vertical aluminum angles that feel sturdy but serve no purpose because nothing is attached to them. There are bent 063 or 040 aluminum brackets with ONE rivet each holding the side walls up. (I put the screw in it) The "retainer" is something thinner than 040. The inside angles that go all around the sign that hold the face in place are .75". You can't put a face in there without it popping out. It flexes so much that it's just a feather touch away from all falling apart.

    Has anyone see something like this before? Am I trippin over this thing? I don't feel comfortable at all putting it on the wall with my sign in it. My sign face is probably twice the weight of this entire "cabinet"

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  2. Moze

    Moze Precision Sign Services

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    You're not tripping. I certainly wouldn't pay for that. Did they not give build specs prior to purchase?
     
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  3. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    Nothing, but I've never had a wholesaler give me specs before. I usually just give a size, describe how it will be mounted and that's it.
     
  4. Johnny Best

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    Origami with thin metal.
    Did you already pay for it, did you complain to them when you picked it up. Is this the way the other one you saw built?
     
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  5. signage

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    why did it take you a day to figure this out? you picked it up and couldn't tell at that time, what they loaded it while you paid for it without checking it out.
     
  6. GAC05

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    At least they supplied it with screws that have enough extra threads for them to take a good long while to pull completely out.
     
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  7. Gino

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    Is there a UL label on it ??

    That looks like what we used to call a wrap box, except they forgot all the framework.
     
  8. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    Lol, I put that in there... it didn't help at all.

    The UL label is on the power box which is separate. I thought it was supposed to be on the cabinet.


    No I did not see it when it was loaded on my trailer yesterday. I looked at it briefly last night and didn't like what I saw. I was out on installs all day today and didn't get back till an hour ago.

    I e-mailed the owner and he just called me and told me he was sorry and will take care of it. He said he doesn't know how this one got built but he will make a new one with framed cabinet and skin it. My install is Friday morning and he said I can pick it up at 7am on Friday. That was a relief. We'll see Friday morning.
     
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  9. Gino

    Gino Premium Subscriber

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    Do you hafta take that one back ??
     
  10. The Yanki & The Brit

    The Yanki & The Brit The Yanki & The Brit Signs and Radio Show

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    I have some 1/8" PVC you can use.... That's horrible work. Hope everything turns out alright.
     
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  11. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    Yea, I sure as he'll ain't keeping it.

    I really don't know how something like this can go out.. they are a large shop and I was looking around the inside and they do channel letters, have a paint booth, had to be like 20 people working there at least. This ain't no small outfit so I'm just pretty shocked that something like this would come out of that place. Like I said I've installed some of their work and it was impressive... I'm impressed he called this evening and promised to have it fixed before my planned install date....this Friday!
     
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  12. signage

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    you never did answer did it have a UL label?
     
  13. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    yes, but it's on the external power enclosure and not on the cabinet. It should be on the cabinet though I would think right?
     
  14. signage

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    yes the power supply should also have a UL label. So the cabinet doesn't, did the other ones you installed have
    UL labels on the cabinets?
     
  15. signage

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    double post
     
  16. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    Yes, others had it on the cabinet but not on the power enclosure...i don't think.
     
  17. visual800

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    Once you get that puppy on the wall it will be good to go! I get all my stuff from sign builders in bham. they do pretty damn good cabinets BUT I have taken down cabinets before that were very flimsy but once you get them on the wall thats what counts. get it up deal with it not your responsibility but I do understand your not liking it
     
  18. signage

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    If you have gotten permit to do the work how are you hanging an un UL cabinet? unless the area you are working in doesn't require, but now you are taking on a lot of responsibility. jm.02
     
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  19. RaymondLoewy

    RaymondLoewy Pretty fly for a Sign Guy

    Are those LED modules hot glued down?!? :covereyes:
    I would expect full a break down on specs on quote from any wholesaler.
    I am glad the vendor is going to make it right for you.
     
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  20. Johnny Best

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    Hey Tex, just make some of these and stick em on... UL APPROVED.jpg
     
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