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Mac vs. PC

Discussion in 'Polls' started by Scott Reynolds, Apr 30, 2005.

Mac vs. PC

  1. PC slower than 2.5 MHz

    31 vote(s)
  2. PC faster than 2.5 MHz

    69 vote(s)
  3. Mac G4 or older

    21 vote(s)
  4. Mac G5

    26 vote(s)
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Scott Reynolds

    Scott Reynolds Active Member

    Feb 5, 2005
    I have been a PC user for 9 years. Im finely going Mac with a dual 2.7 G5 in the next couple of weeks. What platforms are other people using?
  2. Rick

    Rick Certified Enneadecagon Designer

    Apr 17, 2003
    Valle Vista
    I have a Sony Vaio 2.6 MHZ with a gig of Ram, a Mac 8500 180mhz, A G5 1.8 Mhz with 2 gigs of Ram and a Mac Mini (office stuff only) with 512 mgs of ram.
    I am saving up for a Dual mac system once I can justify my CS2 upgrade.
  3. ApexSpeed

    ApexSpeed Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    Mac G5 is the main computer for my plotting system, and we have a Linux-based PeeCee and a Windows 98 PeeCee in the home office, as well. I LOOOOOVE plotting from the Mac directly from Illustrator.
  4. Bobby H

    Bobby H Very Active Member

    Feb 4, 2005
    Lawton, OK
    I've been a PC user for the last several years. For sign related stuff, Windows and Intel/AMD-based PCs are perfectly fine. It's also arguably best to do web development and web design on Windows-based systems since they display color differently and use different system fonts.

    However, I am seriously considering the purchase of a dual processor Mac for my next home desktop system. I have a new Dell notebook and my aging Dell desktop PC still works fine for most purposes. The addition of a Mac would be good for my freelance print-based work and also for video and motion graphics work I would like to pursue. I can do a lot of those things on a PC.

    The only problem with buying a Mac is high cost. The CPU tower alone with some decent options (like at least 2GB of RAM) easily goes over $3000 or $4000. Apple's monitors are arguably too expensive. Dell has a new 24" widescreen monitor $500 less than Apple's Studio Cinema Display and with better reviews. New software could nearly double the cost, certainly with adding Adobe's CS2 package and Apple's Production Suite. Overall, I'm looking at a cost over $6000 to get a Mac system configured the way I need it.

    Obviously I need to see enough of an advantage from a business standpoint (not the silly Mac versus PC performance arguments) to justify the purchase. What kind of business opportunities can I expect to gain from having a computer running Final Cut Pro? It's kind of a scary thing. It really gets scary if you want to consider adding a lot of video production hardware (cameras, lighting, sound, etc.) into the mix.

    There are trends of businesses adding video displays into POP settings, buying message centers capable of displaying graphics and video, but without the knowledge needed to produce the content and do it well. Some of the trends in the economy put some of this possible growth into question. In the meantime, I'm just saving money and trying to make sense out of the situation.
  5. SteadyBenny

    SteadyBenny Member

    Mar 6, 2005
    I've been using a 1.5 gig Pentium 4 (runs plotter) and a 1.33 gig Athlon (design/office) for a number of years. They run Windows 2000 and XP Home. My wife's machine is an AthlonXP 1900+ which is somewhat faster and runs XP Pro. All machines have 2) 512mb memory modules in them. The AthlonXP has PC2700 DDR the others PC133 SDRAM. Two video cards are GeForce2 MX-400's in my machines with 32 mb SDRAM. The wife's machine has Radeon 7500 with 64 mb of DDR. Two muchines have WD 80 gig drives with 8mb cache. One has WD 60 gig with 2 mb of cache.
    They aren't rockets. That's for sure. The do serve us well. I'm adding another 512mb to the Pentium 4 as I plan on getting an inkjet plotter in the next few weeks.
    I have a laptop with a Celeron 366 and Windows 98se. I've upgraded that to 128mb within the past year. This is my oldest computer. I bought it used 2 years ago from a friend for $200. If I was looking to replace anything, it would be this old laptop, as it is about 6 years old and I'm suprised it still works at all.
  6. jimdes

    jimdes Active Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Been in computers since the Commodore VIC 20/ Timex Sinclair 2000. Moved up to an Amiga 2000 (bundled with a toaster) then the IBM PC in the early 90's. I still have a new Commodore VIC 20 in the original packaging . . . I'm such a geek!

    Oh, and by the way, the processor speeds should be GHz . . . told you I was a geek. Last time I ran anything as slow as 2.5 MHz was in the early 90's, hehehehe (A la OP)
  7. Scott Reynolds

    Scott Reynolds Active Member

    Feb 5, 2005
    MHz... GHz..., its all the same thing!

    On my keyboard the M is next to the G. My finger gust-a slipped. lol

    Mr. Mom- "Are you going to wire it in 220? 220, 201, what ever it takes."
  8. ChiknNutz

    ChiknNutz Major Contributor

    Apr 18, 2003
    Although I replied as being PC faster than 2.5GHz, I guess 'technically' that is not 100% true. I am running an AMD64 3000+ which I think really clocks at like 1.8GHz. The rest is 1GB of dual-channel PC3200 DDR RAM on a Gigabyte MB and also a Gigabyte ATI Radeon 9600 Pro vid card pushing a somewhat older Sylvania 19" CRT. I also have a 108MBs wireless network that works pretty good.

    Have been involved with 'puters for many years now, I guess going on like 20 or better - OMG can that be true!?!? Started playing with Apples, and then finally got our own 8088 PC in like '89 or so with a smokin' 30MB hard drive and 640K of RAM. Hard drives in that day were kinda rare if memory serves, cuz all ya really needed was the 5-1/4" floppies, right? It ALSO had a 3.5" floppy - perty kewl, eh?

    Have built several over the years, but just for personal/biz use so far (not for profit, but could I s'pose).
  9. seaviewsigns

    seaviewsigns Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    G4 at full time job... crappy ol' iMac running the plotter for sign business... upgradeing to G5 at home within a month
  10. High Octane

    High Octane Active Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Fenton, Michigan
    PC with amd 64 3500...and intel 2 ghz laptop and 2.53 ghz intel pc
  11. Kevin Huffman

    Kevin Huffman Member

    May 2, 2005
    Using an old dell at work, 1.6Ghz and 256mb of ram.

    Using a 3.2Ghz HT, 2 gig Ram at home.
    Using a 2.4Ghz, 512mb HP for my laptop.

    All of them do all the things I need to do.
  12. advsign22

    advsign22 Member

    Sep 2, 2004
    2 Months ago I purchased a new Dell XPS G4 with 4 gig's of ram. I have not been pleased to get a message " Cannot Copy, Not Enough Memory" when trying to copy and paste some things. Also runs slow doing mask, outline and contour cut effects with some of the Aurora Graphic fills. So to speed me up I just ordered a Mac G5 Dual 2.5 system and then today I realized hey "My Flexisign and Colorip is not going to work on my MAC system". Now what?

    I read somewhere that you can purchase some type of software and it will allow most PC programs to run on a mac. Has any heard of this before?

    Here is the list of software coming with the new G5 and maybe that software is on this list. Most of this stuff is things that I know nothing about.

    Adobe Reader 5.0
    Adobe Go Live 6.0
    Adobe Go Live CS
    Adobe Illustrator 10
    Adobe Illustrator CS
    Adobe Indesign 2.0
    Adobe Photoshop 7.0
    Adobe Photoshop CS
    Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0
    Adobe Premiere 6.5

    Appleworks 6.0
    Art Directors tool Kit 3
    BBedit 7.1
    BTV Carbon
    Corel graphics 11
    Cubebase SX
    Disc Warrior
    DP4 (Digital performer 4)
    Drive 10
    DVD Studio Pro 2
    Filemaker Pro 6
    Film Factory

    Final Cut Express 2
    Final Cut Pro HD

    Font Book
    Graphic converter 4.4 US
    Image capture

    Macromedia Director MX
    Macromedia FreeHand 10
    Macromedia Dreamweaver MX
    Macromedia Flash MX
    Macromedia Fireworks MX

    Microsoft Office X
    Microsoft Office 2004

    Quickbooks ! Pro 6.0
    Quicken 2003
    Quicken 2004
    Remote Desktop
    Roxio Toast 6
    Think Free Office
    Virtual PC 6
    Virtual PC 7 (with XP Pro installed)

  13. Derf

    Derf Very Active Member

    Ken- I have 2 G5s and love them, I also have FlexiSign PRO that RIPs great however the new Virtual PC with Win XP pro is great as long as you have plenty of RAM 2-3 Gigs will work.

  14. JMDigital

    JMDigital Active Member

    Oct 15, 2005
    I use PC's , Started building them in the early 90's, I dont have a problem with MAC's its just that PC's are cheaper.. more bang for the buck. And all the cool software that was mac ony (adobe stuff) is now for both . so I dont see the extra $$$ for a mac..

  15. gcljlamb

    gcljlamb Member

    Mar 14, 2005

    What Derf wrote is true. You're just needing an emulation software package. He mentioned Virtual PC which is perfect for what you're talking about. Just remember what he said about the ram; Doing the VPC thing is (I'm sure you've heard) like running one computer within another. Resource intensive. So make sure you have plenty of resource.

    I do all of my sign work on a PC P4 3.2GHz with a gig of ram.
    I run a Dell Latitude laptop P3 650MHz machine at home with 512M of ram.

    Ah, and then there're my Macs. I have an original Mac Classic, a Mac Color Classic, (Still running music sequencing software on it as recently as last night)
    a Mac pizza, a Power PC 6200 with Freehand 8 (obviously haven't ran any graphics stuff on it for a while), and one of the original G3's that came out before all of the blue tower versions. It's still in the beige case with the staggered shape to it.

    Good thread!:thumb:

  16. Zardoz_Canada

    Zardoz_Canada Member

    Aug 29, 2005
    i hear you mac guys are gunna be sportin' a 2 button mouse pretty soon. That darned 'learning curve' is gunna hurt eh? :tongue:
  17. mark in tx

    mark in tx Very Active Member

    Oct 25, 2005
    Harker Heights, Texas
    Using a Dell Dimension 1100 with 1 gig ram, P4 3 GHZ, Windows XP to run FlexiPro for the Mutoh printer and the Graphtec plotter. Using a G5 iMac for design work(photoshop, Illustrator), and an old G3 700 iMac up front for the customer show and tell. They still love to see those things.
    I've always thought you should use the best tool for the job, and everyone has their own idea of the best tool.
  18. Sabre

    Sabre Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    PC All the way! I got spoiled quite a bit when I was hired and asked what kind of system I wanted for design/production. Being new to the sign biz, I just picked the fastest of everything:

    AMD Athlon 64 3500
    4gigs DDR400 RAM
    74Gig Western Digital Raptor
    Matrox Parhelia PCI-X (I'm not very familiar with this chipset. I understand it's a favourite for graphics pros)
    Dual Viewsonic P220F 22" monitors at 1600x1200/85Hz
    And a bunch of enhancements to make it look as fast as it goes. I plan on laying some vinyl on the side of the case, so I'll be sure and post it when I'm done. :)
  19. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

    Mar 9, 2004
    i used both but now just use pcs.. can't see what all the fuss about macs is about. sure the boxes and interface is a bit prettier.
    but for workin, i got adobe cs2, quark and everything else a mac can do on my little old XP pc. mac users come in, i open their file and they don't know it's a pc most of the time, mainly cos of the sony monitor
  20. Cadmn

    Cadmn Very Active Member

    Aug 19, 2005
    AMD processor are hard to beat in the pc world been building with them for over 10years & have always been a fan of them.about time to beg the boss for a new one :)