DizzyMarkus
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Sorry Eco Sol here -- I don't think you have to -- unsure tho 
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Material Fail?
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SlightlyChilled
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I just find it odd the you are asking here when you have a BIG corporation behind you. Maybe I'm missing something.
Maybe they sent you crappy vinyl thinking it would be in the heat all the time seeing that you are in Las Vegas, NV not thinking you would have snow jobs..
Maybe they sent you crappy vinyl thinking it would be in the heat all the time seeing that you are in Las Vegas, NV not thinking you would have snow jobs..
MikePro
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i wouldn't bother using material I didn't trust for the conditions.
if my supplier gave me a materials solution for a project, and it failed, i'd be asking my supplier their thoughts.
calendared material in extreme weather conditions?!? you're just asking for trouble.
I'm thinking it could be one of a million things, most stated already. but i'm leaning towards your IJ35 or the "unknown" laminate that is most likely calendared as well..... heck, a cast overlam might have saved the IJ35 on this project.
if my supplier gave me a materials solution for a project, and it failed, i'd be asking my supplier their thoughts.
calendared material in extreme weather conditions?!? you're just asking for trouble.
I'm thinking it could be one of a million things, most stated already. but i'm leaning towards your IJ35 or the "unknown" laminate that is most likely calendared as well..... heck, a cast overlam might have saved the IJ35 on this project.
Littlesigner
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Does appear to be purposely pealed however you say this is happening to all 4 signs which inconsiderate people or kids may do I don't know if its likely. You could piece a strip of lam on the edges to hold it however you want this customer to be happy so id redo them using proper material that you know will work. Clean the substrate with rapid prep or something similar (clean like 3 times for reassurance). If you have more issues contact your corporate office, I have worked for a franchise myself in the past and they were always helpful. Good Luck 
Border
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Not sure what the actual cause is but some advice I have is to keep track of what you use on each job.
I always note in every design file what brand and colors were used, including laminates.
It will help you learn better what to use when and where down the road, especially if you have problems with something such as these signs.
My best guess is that the unknown laminate is shrinking in the cold and rolling everything up with it.
As suggested, a quick fix would be to cut some strips of [good] laminate and wrap them around all the edges to the back side.
I always note in every design file what brand and colors were used, including laminates.
It will help you learn better what to use when and where down the road, especially if you have problems with something such as these signs.
My best guess is that the unknown laminate is shrinking in the cold and rolling everything up with it.
As suggested, a quick fix would be to cut some strips of [good] laminate and wrap them around all the edges to the back side.
MikePro
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sign on the slopes being picked-at, maybe, but assisted after already lifting is most likely
I have yet to see anyone, on a ski hill, take the time to remove their gloves so that they can pick-at the vinyl on a sign.
vandalism is fun, but so is skiing while you're paying $80 a lift ticket.
however, "hugging" a sign on the slopes? most definately:
I have yet to see anyone, on a ski hill, take the time to remove their gloves so that they can pick-at the vinyl on a sign.
vandalism is fun, but so is skiing while you're paying $80 a lift ticket.
however, "hugging" a sign on the slopes? most definately:
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SAR.Summerlin
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The boss went up to the resort to get a look himself and we have more answers. Apparently these are signs that they mounted to large metal poles and move every day to show where classes gather. They are a week old and beat to heck. So new question what is the best material to use for signs that get moved and banged together A LOT.
I am looking for substrate and vinyl/lam suggestions. Needs to be rigid as the signs are 30"w x 18"h
I am looking for substrate and vinyl/lam suggestions. Needs to be rigid as the signs are 30"w x 18"h
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MikePro
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make a sandwich!
reverse-printed on clear, laminated with white, and applied 2nd-surface to clear plexi. you can then re-add the dibond as a backer panel with double-sided acrylic bonding tape for extra durability, and then the signs can take all the beating they want.
simpler-route, can't you just get blue dibond panels and add white vinyl text?
There is this Vinyl from Arlon I believe its DPF 8000 and it sticks really really well. It isn't an air release material so whoever installs it must know what they are doing. That should help your problem. As for laminate, I usually use whatever house brand I buy from and it never seems to fail. I recently just finished a snow park in Utah and haven't had any problems yet...
SAR.Summerlin
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My only concern with this is that the cut vinyl will get torn up. But that is a possibility. They now have 8 new signs which have a brown background.
SAR.Summerlin
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Where can I get these supplies?
Gino
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Experiencing peeling after only a week ??
Aluminum expands and contracts at a totally different rate than that of cast or calendared vinyls regardless of lamination. You need to figure out a way to protect your edges better and possibly wrap them to the back side and then put an edge capping of some sort over it.
Aluminum expands and contracts at a totally different rate than that of cast or calendared vinyls regardless of lamination. You need to figure out a way to protect your edges better and possibly wrap them to the back side and then put an edge capping of some sort over it.
SAR.Summerlin,
Your problem IS the media I think. If it is the same stuff they supply you with to do your windows, is cheap calendared vinyl. And with all the Vegas sun, I'm certain it just failed in the heat/uv. I am intimately familiar with the "Starter kits" they give out. Yes, you can get away with (read: install and run) most of the medias for flat surfaces and windows, but its guaranteed to fail on any thing that gets any more exposure. Just get roll of 3M ij40 + brightline eSeries IM2203 and redo the job (both available from Grimco which is in your area). Take the rest of that roll UFG gave you and put it in the corner (with a dunce cap). I'm joking. But use that stuff to practice with. Not on live (paid) jobs. Ask your local Operations Advisor for more tips...
Your problem IS the media I think. If it is the same stuff they supply you with to do your windows, is cheap calendared vinyl. And with all the Vegas sun, I'm certain it just failed in the heat/uv. I am intimately familiar with the "Starter kits" they give out. Yes, you can get away with (read: install and run) most of the medias for flat surfaces and windows, but its guaranteed to fail on any thing that gets any more exposure. Just get roll of 3M ij40 + brightline eSeries IM2203 and redo the job (both available from Grimco which is in your area). Take the rest of that roll UFG gave you and put it in the corner (with a dunce cap). I'm joking. But use that stuff to practice with. Not on live (paid) jobs. Ask your local Operations Advisor for more tips...
