Slamdunkpro
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3621 will pull paint off of drywall if it's up for a while and it's really tough to apply large images if it's unlaminated.
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Removable Wall Graphics - aka like Fathead
- Thread starter walkrite
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3621 will pull paint off of drywall if it's up for a while and it's really tough to apply large images if it's unlaminated.
cutting and printing fatheads
i have been reaching for several months at this particular fatheads printing , because i am starting this business, and find out the following , it might be good news for you all.
i try many different brands of vinyl for wall graphics, some of them better than others, but they all have the same problem, they curl, i have talk to many people at support in mac tac, 3m , avery, they all say the problem is you have to cure the material before cutting, because of the solvent is very hard on the vinyl!! and eats them , so you have to let go and evaporate the solvent before cutting, then i ask , how it is possible people at roland booths want tell this, when there printers are suppose to print and cut, well i discover eco-solvent are less aggressive solvent inks, but better yet , water base inks are way to expensive , but have some one try on a latex one? i think not, try using the eco-solvent original inks, or try to print on latex ink and then have it cut. you will see the results.
i have been reaching for several months at this particular fatheads printing , because i am starting this business, and find out the following , it might be good news for you all.
i try many different brands of vinyl for wall graphics, some of them better than others, but they all have the same problem, they curl, i have talk to many people at support in mac tac, 3m , avery, they all say the problem is you have to cure the material before cutting, because of the solvent is very hard on the vinyl!! and eats them , so you have to let go and evaporate the solvent before cutting, then i ask , how it is possible people at roland booths want tell this, when there printers are suppose to print and cut, well i discover eco-solvent are less aggressive solvent inks, but better yet , water base inks are way to expensive , but have some one try on a latex one? i think not, try using the eco-solvent original inks, or try to print on latex ink and then have it cut. you will see the results.
CalamityJay
New Member
i dealt with GF and had positive experience. They even helped me by guiding me on the right track to icc profile creation on static cling material. That stuff was very "soft" when heated and gave me a couple of head strikes. But they told me to try a higher heat setting to get the ink to cure. It worked, i guess, but i also adjusted my print off the stock in order to get it to print w/o striking.
heyskull
New Member
Am I missing something here?!!
The reason the material is removeable is that it is used for short term application.
I think you will find especially if it is a painted/plaster wall is that you have to question what paint has been used and how smooth the surface is.
Is the material been given enough time to out gas. As I personally have had issues with materials not bonding and curling up because customers have got you to rush the job.
Also with having a better adhesion their will be possibilities it will pull the paint off when removing.
I have had similair requests for wall prints but when I state these types of materials are for very short periods of advertising (weeks or less) and the removeable properties not only allow it to be removed easily but reduces initial adhesion and can lead to failures, they usually opt for something more permanent.
SC
The reason the material is removeable is that it is used for short term application.
I think you will find especially if it is a painted/plaster wall is that you have to question what paint has been used and how smooth the surface is.
Is the material been given enough time to out gas. As I personally have had issues with materials not bonding and curling up because customers have got you to rush the job.
Also with having a better adhesion their will be possibilities it will pull the paint off when removing.
I have had similair requests for wall prints but when I state these types of materials are for very short periods of advertising (weeks or less) and the removeable properties not only allow it to be removed easily but reduces initial adhesion and can lead to failures, they usually opt for something more permanent.
SC
TheSnowman
New Member
Well this thread is two years old. Over those two years, I've been printing PhotoTex and still never had one complaint from a customer, or from me. It's the best hands down for sticking to the wall and not falling off.
10sacer
New Member
Wendy's is using Phototex for some table edge graphics now and every one of them in the store I was in was curling badly - and this is on laminated tabletops. I just think its a bad application of a good product.
Those tables get wiped down 10-12 times a day with whatever chemical and that can't be good for any adhesive.
Those tables get wiped down 10-12 times a day with whatever chemical and that can't be good for any adhesive.
We been using Phototex for a couple years with good results...
However beware, solvent inks and the oil based adhesive on phototex do not like each other, after a couple of months they start mixing through the fabric and the ink just wipes off, almost falls off really!
You have to laminate it, period!
That is until we changed over to Latex inks, better glossy finishes no need to laminate as the latex polymer sits encapsulated on top of the media and its allot more durable now too...
I heard that UV printing on phototex is also ok without lamination but cannot confirm.
Happy printing...
However beware, solvent inks and the oil based adhesive on phototex do not like each other, after a couple of months they start mixing through the fabric and the ink just wipes off, almost falls off really!
You have to laminate it, period!
That is until we changed over to Latex inks, better glossy finishes no need to laminate as the latex polymer sits encapsulated on top of the media and its allot more durable now too...
I heard that UV printing on phototex is also ok without lamination but cannot confirm.
Happy printing...
Richard G
New Member
General Formulations Concept 234 coated polyester fabric, print to the edge no curl, contour cut. I have tried a lot of different brands and the this is finally the only one I have left in my office over the weekend when it gets up to 95+ degrees and it doesn't peel off the wall.
Yes, I know it's been 4 yeas since anyone posted to this thread. Just thought I'd revive it and get opinions on the best wall graphic vinyl that is to be used like a Fathead. It needs to work on even the orange-peal walls, to NOT have to be laminated, to NOT damage the wall, to be re-position-able, to NOT edge-curl, to be eco-solvent printable, and to last longer than 6 months. Or, is that asking the impossible? Does all the vinyl like this need to be laminated in order to make it stiffer and easier to apply and re-position for the general (not-skilled) public? Thanks for any input.
We have used phototex and found that it is the wall based media. It can be large sheets for murals or small cutout graphics.
The only drawback with cutout is that I do not know of a transfer tape to help with the process of the install. So it takes a bit longer to install one section at a time, but it still works.
We just did 10 24in logos from colleges for a coach and it worked great for displaying on his wall.
Our clients love the custom wallpaper look compared to any vinyl with laminate combo. We print using UV ink and that provides us with better scratch resistance compared the our eco solvent printer.
OPAS works the best for us... Hope this helps.
The only drawback with cutout is that I do not know of a transfer tape to help with the process of the install. So it takes a bit longer to install one section at a time, but it still works.
We just did 10 24in logos from colleges for a coach and it worked great for displaying on his wall.
Our clients love the custom wallpaper look compared to any vinyl with laminate combo. We print using UV ink and that provides us with better scratch resistance compared the our eco solvent printer.
OPAS works the best for us... Hope this helps.
bannertime
Active Member
I typically use RadGrafix from Grimco. I've had it at a local university for about 6 months now and no complaints. That's in the room next to the lockers and showers. No curling. It's installed on a smooth painted drywall. I've also got a sample from that same job installed in my office on some drywall that used to have the popcorn stuff on it. I sanded it down and installed it. I've even taken it on and off to show customers and not even the tiny points are peeling.
The Orafol 3628 stuff was great too. I did a 1 day job with it. Installed it on everything. Elevators, floors, walls, windows, and it went on easy. Even with foot traffic from the party and the opening/closing of the elevator doors, there were no issues. I now stock it along with the RadGrafix.
The Orafol 3628 stuff was great too. I did a 1 day job with it. Installed it on everything. Elevators, floors, walls, windows, and it went on easy. Even with foot traffic from the party and the opening/closing of the elevator doors, there were no issues. I now stock it along with the RadGrafix.
klingsdesigns
New Member
We use wallfrog all the time with no problems. Cuts nice applies great. No curling.
boxerbay
New Member
we use oracal 3268. it is 6mil vs 3mil and that helps keep it from curling. we also offer lamination for extra protection and to allow cleaning with mild chemicals.
phototex is great also but you cannot laminate it. so its not a good fit in a high traffic little hands on the wall application.
phototex also is not a good fit if your kiss cutting it and there is a thin section. the cloth fabric can stretch and distort when it gets re-position.
phototex is great also but you cannot laminate it. so its not a good fit in a high traffic little hands on the wall application.
phototex also is not a good fit if your kiss cutting it and there is a thin section. the cloth fabric can stretch and distort when it gets re-position.