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Seriously newb question about digital printing...

Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by SignNutz, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. SignNutz

    SignNutz Member

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    Ok, I admit this is a seriously clueless question. I'm wondering if there is a source for clear vinyl in 8.5" x 11" sheets that I can print on with a plain old inkjet printer. And then hopefully laminate. I'm looking to do some small custom decals, without getting a $10,000 + printer, or trying to work with a sub-contracter. Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Flame

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    Can't do it. Here's why.

    1. An inkjet printer used transparents inks. They do not show up on clear properly. Sure you could see the design, but it would be transparent and honestly look like crap.

    2. Adhesive sheets usually don't come in 8.5 x 11, especially clear.

    3. The durability, even laminated, wouldn't be there. They would be poor quality decals, and they'd have to be square cut, and your cost would be higher than most sign shops!
     
  3. Gino

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    Sorry Flame, you’re only partially correct.

    So many sign shops are doing exactly what SignNutz is requesting, but with terrible results for the very reasons Flame explained.

    You can get the clear at just about any Office Max, Staples and so on. The shops that use this technique are what upset the apple cart for the rest of the industry. They pass these off as being outdoor durable [because they laminated them], but the ink won’t hold up more than a few months. A-a-a-nd because they say it with authority to the unknowing customer, it slowly becomes a reality.

    Is it good practice. No !! This is the kind of cutting corners that has ruined the industry. If you can’t afford the proper equipment, then don’t knowingly give your customer [or victim] a poorly made product.

    Thanks for asking this in advance before you screw some innocent person. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Flame

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    I know you can buy adhesive backed paper at officemax and stuff, but clear? ReallY? Guess I never looked. lol.

    Didn't know shops were actually doing that either. That's .... pretty bad. And I thought buying a Mutoh was being kind of cheap!
     
  5. Baz

    Baz Very Active Member

    Your best option SignNutz would be to find a shop in your area that will do them up for you.
     
  6. tamiya

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    Hello all. :Welcome:

    I have used the transparent (acetate?) sheets before, they appear
    coated with some transparent inkjet-receptive compound.

    I print on them with my Epson Stylus Photo (pigment ink?) and even
    then they are nowhere as 'bright' as printing on a white surface.

    Have tried waterproofing them with Clear Acrylic spray sealer and
    also laminating type materials... but eventually water will still seep
    underneath and ruin your print. They will never be waterproof/permanent.

    Weirder still is... for the prints that I have done and kept in dark dry place,
    the ink has spread (bloomed?) under the sealer... makes it look real wierd.

    Nowhere near 'pro' quality by any overactive imagination.


    Methink I need a printer that can do white ink on raw vinyl... :tongue:
     
  7. Techman

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    there are clear sheets for the Phaser (xerox) color printers.. This printer uses wax ink.
     
  8. f3rri

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    YOU CAN Do Signage!!! WELL, SOMEWHAT

    We'll you can do car magnets with a new 3m product. I think you can use laserjet and color copiers to make them. 2 part system, You print reverse on an acetate then apply it to a magnet that has control tack. Not execactly what you want but it is a way to do signage cheaply without the equipment.
     
  9. petepaz

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    we use a clear film in our epson 4800 to print films for burning screens and we have use it to make nameplates/labels depending on the use will determine how it will hold up
    1- print on the clear 2-laminate front with clear 3- laminate back with adhesive the label will be about .008" to .010" thick
     
  10. Graphics2u

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    I'm hurt!


    That was a low blow!!
     
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