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US Tariffs, Sigh!

Gino

Gino

Premium Subscriber
When did they bring back the old NHB ?? Sounds more like sticks & stones will break my bones 2nd or 3rd grade level arguing. It's been like this since I can remember. One side says one thing and the other side picks out one word and goes to town on it and creates a whole new argument. You people are not discussing, debating or communicating at any level. This sounds just like the governments ( yours & ours) and I don't know which one is worse ?? I agree with Geneva, but I think she's fighting a losing battle, cause the other side is not playing fairly.

My biggest take from all of this is that ikar purposely went back and re-read a lot of it. That really makes me wonder ?? :roflmao:
 
JBurton

JBurton

Signtologist
Gino said:
I agree with Geneva, but I think she's fighting a losing battle, cause the other side is not playing fairly.
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Like the dems are using their judges to stand in the way of the presidency? I'd like to direct everyone's attention to 7th grade civics study guide on the federal government.
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Or do you mean ikarusa is using some unfair internet arguing strategy? I'm more surprised the lack of right leaning voices chiming in, but they're probably busy making signs.
IDK, this thread is long, meandering, and far from the op, but so was electric state, but at least it had robots 'sploding and sh*t.
 
Stacey K

Stacey K

I like making signs
Geneva Olson said:
Yea, I brought up his name. You're the one who called him a crackhead. and you say i'm digging my heels in?
What Ive seen is people calling trump supporters "magats", elon is a "crackhead" and another said he was a ketamin addict. If youre going to talk about having good dialogue, perhaps don't treat republicans and/or trump supporters like we are sub human. You may not have said some of those things, but you didn't admonish the people who did...and you joined in on the rhetoric. What's interesting was that I was responding to SOMEONE ELSE when he called trump supporters "MAGAts". And THAT was to prove how quickly democrats will jump from loving something to hating it. I was directly contradicting what the previous guy said.
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Funny how we've become used to being treated sub-human, being called Nazi's, Magats, Motherf*ckers, the list goes on. I was told to go die, my kids should be removed from my home, etc. I was afraid to put up my American Flag outside. I'm afraid to say anything in public. I'm still afraid to post on FB or any social media. I had a Trump flag hanging in my garage and the neighbor saw it and won't talk to me anymore. I was told by my Realtor to remove any and all indications that I may have voted Trump or I will lose 50% of any buyers. I asked her if she has issues the other way - she said no, never one. People might comment or chuckle but they will still buy.
 
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ikarasu

Active Member
Gino said:
When did they bring back the old NHB ?? Sounds more like sticks & stones will break my bones 2nd or 3rd grade level arguing. It's been like this since I can remember. One side says one thing and the other side picks out one word and goes to town on it and creates a whole new argument. You people are not discussing, debating or communicating at any level. This sounds just like the governments ( yours & ours) and I don't know which one is worse ?? I agree with Geneva, but I think she's fighting a losing battle, cause the other side is not playing fairly.

My biggest take from all of this is that ikar purposely went back and re-read a lot of it. That really makes me wonder ?? :roflmao:
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Agree with her on what? Or on everything?

If its that I'm just bashing on Elon... Again, did I say anything not accurate? Did I bring him up, or am I solely focusing on him for some unfair reason? If so, feel free to point it out! Happy to defend or explain myself if you see it that way.

That I'm part of the problem because I didn't call someone out for saying "Magats"? I dont even know the term, but that was right before the musk one... and when I got the alert there was new posts, I skim past most of the back and fourth banter and reply to what interests me, which was the musk one. She started calling people jealous / whataboutism, and another user started going back about sychophantism, and I make a simple post about lets not attack eachother and stay civil like this has been for the past 20 pages... But I'm a bad guy and treating trump supports like theyre sub=human.... When every single thing I said about Musk / Tesla has to do with non republican / trump related things? I'm the one being generalized... I don't agree with her argument, therfor I'm anti-trump and treating them like crap... even though I never brought trump up once. I'm not a fan of trump, but I learned mentioning or saying anything about him is a sure fire way to de-rail a conversation and make it an Us vs them...whether you're American, or Canadian.

This is more of a "No you" type argument, which is why I stopped with her. I love debating, and I love being proven wrong - I'm open minded, and if you post something thats against my views but backed up by facts / evidence... I'm not going to just ignore you, dig my heels in and all of a sudden say you're bullying me because I'm a Canadian, or have different views than you. Thats why I stopped the musk talk, or responding about the situation - I'm sure I have paragraphs to say, and I almost typed up a long post against the last one.... but whats the point? It'll all get ignored no matter what I said, and deflected into something else. I responded to a comment about Musk and people are boycotting him just because he's a republican... and now I'm lumped in as someone who doesn't Treat Republicans and / or Trump supporters as sub-human... Never once personally attacked, or assumed anything she's said... but I'm the one who's generalizing and treating someone differently due to their political views :banghead:

And yes, I purposely went back and read 2 pages. I couldn't understand why I was being called out as a musk basher, or why it seemed like she was taking it so personally. I thought maybe I have been talking about musk a lot - I go on S101 when I have 3-5 mins of downtime when a printer is loading, or a machine is about to finish... I pull up my phone, see the "New replies to thread" message icon... click it and reply. I didn't even know at the time I was replying to the tariff thread as I'm in 5-10 threads at once, and just reply to whatever the person is talking about - I thought I'd go back and look ,see if I said or did something I needed to apologize for... Saw my musk comment, went back 2-3 pages to see if I brought him up before that... saw I didn't and stopped there. So I hope what you're wondering is how such a nice guy would take 10 mins of his break to go re-read a bunch of stuff, see if he said something that offended someone so that he could apologize if he did, and try to understand where all of this was coming from :peace!:


Even now that USA is applying Tariffs to Canada, this isn't an "us vs them" to me. You're probably one of the most vocal trump supporters on here... have I ever once ignored you, told you to shut up, or said what you're talking about is garbage? have I called you a nazi for supporting trump? a magat? have I even said you're a "crackhead" for agreeing with his views? have I treated you any differently than anyone on here? Even last term when you constantly told me to shut up because I'm "Canadian" and had no skin in the game, I never belittled or said anything to you, and tried to understand it from your point. I don't care if you're the most hardcore trump supporter, if you have a mancrash, or think he's a god sent down to save Americans... It would not make me treat you any differently. And if I have... I again invite you to point it out. If you guys (Not you specifically) think I'm "persecuting" anyone because theyre republicans... they need to look in the mirrors, because thats exactly what they'd be doing to me.
 
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Geneva Olson

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
When I was teaching, I kept my mouth shut because I had to keep my job. I knew I was in the minority because they are all liberal.
But in the sign industry, I thought I would see more business owners who are more conservative because you don't want government in your business. I don't know about the rest of yall but I am taxed out the ass for just using my equipment. I want LESS government red tape. I want MORE MONEY in my pocket. I thought that all small businesses would want less government oversight.
 
productionMike

productionMike

Head babysitter, nappy changer and bottle washer!
Geneva Olson said:
When I was teaching, I kept my mouth shut because I had to keep my job. I knew I was in the minority because they are all liberal.
But in the sign industry, I thought I would see more business owners who are more conservative because you don't want government in your business. I don't know about the rest of yall but I am taxed out the ass for just using my equipment. I want LESS government red tape. I want MORE MONEY in my pocket. I thought that all small businesses would want less government oversight.
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Geneva... I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to be a Canadian business, it is 100 time more onerous. We are taxed beyond belief in all manner plus whatever you take home in income is taxed again! The Liberal Party of Canada has installed Mark Carney, another tax and spend / waste climate hysteria WEF globalist ... We are on of the few G7 nations that has a carbon tax... Carney said it wasn't high enough. He also wants to increase the carbon tax on Canadian industry. Carney has been in power one week her... we're hoping he will call an election for the spring.
Most of my life I've been a Classical Liberal ( RFK jr. style ) the last ten years has turned me away from the lies, gaslighting and corruption the globalist left have become.
The CBC has been a propaganda outlet for the Liberals, you never hear of their scandals and lies its just like the Soviet Communism Propaganda.
 
dypinc

dypinc

New Member
Geneva Olson said:
When I was teaching, I kept my mouth shut because I had to keep my job. I knew I was in the minority because they are all liberal.
But in the sign industry, I thought I would see more business owners who are more conservative because you don't want government in your business. I don't know about the rest of yall but I am taxed out the ass for just using my equipment. I want LESS government red tape. I want MORE MONEY in my pocket. I thought that all small businesses would want less government oversight.
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I think we see a lot of paid trolls trying to spread the global elitist propaganda on these forums. Pretty easy to spot because they parrot the same exact talking points and never give a thought to the damage their ideas when implemented cause. Not likely they are business owners. They don't seem to have enough intelligence for that. Speaking of intelligence, I am sure some are just brainwashed given the sources they quote. Most of the time it is not worth trying to argue with them as they show their ignorance without our help but it can be pretty comical just reading their posts.
 
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XtremeXccessories

New Member
dypinc said:
I think we see a lot of paid trolls trying to spread the global elitist propaganda on these forums. Pretty easy to spot because they parrot the same exact talking points and never give a thought to the damage their ideas when implemented cause. Not likely they are business owners. They don't seem to have enough intelligence for that. Speaking of intelligence, I am sure some are just brainwashed given the sources they quote. Most of the time it is not worth trying to argue with them as they show their ignorance without our help but it can be pretty comical just reading their posts.
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"Hey kettle, you're black..." Tell me more about the "stolen election".
 
Gino

Gino

Premium Subscriber
ikarasu said:
Agree with her on what? Or on everything?

If its that I'm just bashing on Elon... Again, did I say anything not accurate? Did I bring him up, or am I solely focusing on him for some unfair reason? If so, feel free to point it out! Happy to defend or explain myself if you see it that way.

That I'm part of the problem because I didn't call someone out for saying "Magats"? I dont even know the term, but that was right before the musk one... and when I got the alert there was new posts, I skim past most of the back and fourth banter and reply to what interests me, which was the musk one. She started calling people jealous / whataboutism, and another user started going back about sychophantism, and I make a simple post about lets not attack eachother and stay civil like this has been for the past 20 pages... But I'm a bad guy and treating trump supports like theyre sub=human.... When every single thing I said about Musk / Tesla has to do with non republican / trump related things? I'm the one being generalized... I don't agree with her argument, therfor I'm anti-trump and treating them like crap... even though I never brought trump up once. I'm not a fan of trump, but I learned mentioning or saying anything about him is a sure fire way to de-rail a conversation and make it an Us vs them...whether you're American, or Canadian.

This is more of a "No you" type argument, which is why I stopped with her. I love debating, and I love being proven wrong - I'm open minded, and if you post something thats against my views but backed up by facts / evidence... I'm not going to just ignore you, dig my heels in and all of a sudden say you're bullying me because I'm a Canadian, or have different views than you. Thats why I stopped the musk talk, or responding about the situation - I'm sure I have paragraphs to say, and I almost typed up a long post against the last one.... but whats the point? It'll all get ignored no matter what I said, and deflected into something else. I responded to a comment about Musk and people are boycotting him just because he's a republican... and now I'm lumped in as someone who doesn't Treat Republicans and / or Trump supporters as sub-human... Never once personally attacked, or assumed anything she's said... but I'm the one who's generalizing and treating someone differently due to their political views :banghead:

And yes, I purposely went back and read 2 pages. I couldn't understand why I was being called out as a musk basher, or why it seemed like she was taking it so personally. I thought maybe I have been talking about musk a lot - I go on S101 when I have 3-5 mins of downtime when a printer is loading, or a machine is about to finish... I pull up my phone, see the "New replies to thread" message icon... click it and reply. I didn't even know at the time I was replying to the tariff thread as I'm in 5-10 threads at once, and just reply to whatever the person is talking about - I thought I'd go back and look ,see if I said or did something I needed to apologize for... Saw my musk comment, went back 2-3 pages to see if I brought him up before that... saw I didn't and stopped there. So I hope what you're wondering is how such a nice guy would take 10 mins of his break to go re-read a bunch of stuff, see if he said something that offended someone so that he could apologize if he did, and try to understand where all of this was coming from :peace!:


Even now that USA is applying Tariffs to Canada, this isn't an "us vs them" to me. You're probably one of the most vocal trump supporters on here... have I ever once ignored you, told you to shut up, or said what you're talking about is garbage? have I called you a nazi for supporting trump? a magat? have I even said you're a "crackhead" for agreeing with his views? have I treated you any differently than anyone on here? Even last term when you constantly told me to shut up because I'm "Canadian" and had no skin in the game, I never belittled or said anything to you, and tried to understand it from your point. I don't care if you're the most hardcore trump supporter, if you have a mancrash, or think he's a god sent down to save Americans... It would not make me treat you any differently. And if I have... I again invite you to point it out. If you guys (Not you specifically) think I'm "persecuting" anyone because theyre republicans... they need to look in the mirrors, because thats exactly what they'd be doing to me.
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Let me be clear. I have no intentions of debating you on OUR politics or politicians. You didn't participate in them, so what you say means diddly to me. Talk tariffs and I'll think about joining in.

As for what or who I agree with or disagree.... why do you care ?? You can't do a single solitary thing about it, but b!tch. I don't care to hear your b!tching or points of view.

Let's talk signs, business points and leave the frickin' BS out of it and we'll all be happier.
 
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ikarasu

Active Member
dypinc said:
I think we see a lot of paid trolls trying to spread the global elitist propaganda on these forums. Pretty easy to spot because they parrot the same exact talking points and never give a thought to the damage their ideas when implemented cause. Not likely they are business owners. They don't seem to have enough intelligence for that. Speaking of intelligence, I am sure some are just brainwashed given the sources they quote. Most of the time it is not worth trying to argue with them as they show their ignorance without our help but it can be pretty comical just reading their posts.
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Curious who you think is a paid troll? Most people who have been replying have had their accounts for 5+ years, I haven't seen any new accounts posting (for either side) that's a new account.
 
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ikarasu

Active Member
Geneva Olson said:
When I was teaching, I kept my mouth shut because I had to keep my job. I knew I was in the minority because they are all liberal.
But in the sign industry, I thought I would see more business owners who are more conservative because you don't want government in your business. I don't know about the rest of yall but I am taxed out the ass for just using my equipment. I want LESS government red tape. I want MORE MONEY in my pocket. I thought that all small businesses would want less government oversight.
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I don't really identify as liberal or conservative, or Republican or any party - I generally vote for the candidate, not the party line... Speaking for Canadian voting of course, i'd say it's 50/50 on which party it is. But I'm sure every business owner wants the government to be less intrusive in their business regardless of their party affiliation. I'd say I see more Republicans on here than liberal.... It's just that the Republican people are less... Vocal(?) about it.
 
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