US Tariffs, Sigh!

[pro-UP]

Who collects the TARIFFS?.... The Government agencies. Who pays for the effects of the tariffs?... the users and finally the end-user. When people are paying more for stuff and the more is going to the government, that is CALLED A TAX!!! Plain and simple. Trump thinks that by raising foreign prices he will get industries to re-locate to the USA under the theory that the reason it was sourced out of the country is because it was cheaper to do that. Now that he made it more expensive companies will manufacture in the USA. BUT if they use raw materials that have to be imported the theory can fail on that point. Also, the only reason a US factory would look profitable is because the selling price is now 25% higher. They would be manufacturing with THAT inflated price in mind! So the Tariffs CAUSE INFLATION of pricing. BUT, no company would just jump on building a factory, because if the tariffs are ever backed off (which just takes a stroke of a pen) they would then have wasted their money on an unprofitable factory. This is a strategy from a little mind that only knows real estate properties and thinks that his tiny bit of self-confirmed ideas apply to everything in the world. The same one that conceived of a whole bunch of businesses that went bankrupt and some that he was sued over. So he does not have a good record when he goes out of his daddy's original businesses. Actual economists (who study their subject instead of just assuming everything they think of must be right,) will tell you over and over that they have NEVER seen good results medium or long term from tariff wars. They do not end up doing what tiny little minds think they will do.

It's getting serious now:

Quebec maple syrup producers fear ’major consequences’ from Trump tariffs

Quebec's maple syrup producers are worried they will take a big hit if Donald Trump goes ahead with his threaten tariffs. Read more here

financialpost.com

It got me thinking of how to hook up with the Canadian Maple Syrup Cartels to get a fleet of tanker trucks to run the northern border and smuggle this liquid gold into the US.

It's getting serious now:

Quebec maple syrup producers fear ’major consequences’ from Trump tariffs

Quebec's maple syrup producers are worried they will take a big hit if Donald Trump goes ahead with his threaten tariffs. Read more here

financialpost.com

It got me thinking of how to hook up with the Canadian Maple Syrup Cartels to get a fleet of tanker trucks to run the northern border and smuggle this liquid gold into the US.

There's a movie called "The Sticky" about the maple syrup theft. It looks pretty funny, I've been wanting to see it when I get a moment.

 

[JamesLam]

Interesting back and forth. And for the most part family friendly language.

I would think most would agree the main reason why we import from other countries is the lower cost of labour and local labour, environmental and regulatory practices. Until the US, Canada and the other G7 and G20 countries are in a situation where their labour pool is paid significantly less than other countries I cannot foresee much of the manufacturing coming back without huge financial incentives and relaxed regulations.

Regarding who is to blame we could go on and on. The original mind set here was what are our options and strategies going forward? Tariffs will affect all of us, regardless of where the raw materials or other products come from.

 

[BigNate]

We had tariffs in Trumps first term so I don't see that we will have any problem with tariffs in his third term.

...or fourth.... or fifth....

 

[ddarlak]

Your not going to convince a MAGAt of any truth they have been easily programmed to reject facts.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Your not going to convince a MAGAt of any truth they have been easily programmed to reject facts.

so...lets see if I have this right:
Dems in 2024: "Tesla is awesome and great for the environment"
Dems in 2025: "Elon is stealing our data, lets burn his dealerships".

(elon has always had capabilities of taking someone's data).

yet, maga is programmed?

 

[ikarasu]

so...lets see if I have this right:
Dems in 2024: "Tesla is awesome and great for the environment"
Dems in 2025: "Elon is stealing our data, lets burn his dealerships".

(elon has always had capabilities of taking someone's data).

yet, maga is programmed?

Musk is a crackhead, and it's just shown through more latelly.

The reason I wouldn't buy a Tesla is because their quality control sucks - we are getting an electric vehicle for our work truck... We had a deposit on a cyber truck for years.

Not having a back mirror when the cover is down is dumb - all the quality issues like panels falling off, the vehicle rusting... Tires needing replacing in months ...the fact he mocked lightnings for being too expensive and then cyber trucks cost way more, being almost 40% higher than what he initially said Hell, they just stopped delivering cyber trucks due to a huge recall. We opted to buy a lightning.

There's lots of reasons not to buy a Tesla.

But I think most people are protesting Tesla due to his Nazi salutes / doge, not just data but firing everyone. / other stuff they don't agree with, I don't think it's about data.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Musk is a crackhead, and it's just shown through more latelly.

The reason I wouldn't buy a Tesla is because their quality control sucks - we are getting an electric vehicle for our work truck... We had a deposit on a cyber truck for years.

Not having a back mirror when the cover is down is dumb - all the quality issues like panels falling off, the vehicle rusting... Tires needing replacing in months ...the fact he mocked lightnings for being too expensive and then cyber trucks cost way more, being almost 40% higher than what he initially said Hell, they just stopped delivering cyber trucks due to a huge recall. We opted to buy a lightning.

There's lots of reasons not to buy a Tesla.

But I think most people are protesting Tesla due to his Nazi salutes / doge, not just data but firing everyone. / other stuff they don't agree with, I don't think it's about data.

...only 28% of the population is protesting....according to msnbc recent polls, the dem party is floundering terribly...https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-low-voters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161


what evidence do you have that says musk does crack?

 

[Snydo]

Whataboutism at its finest.
Trump 2024 - "I will end inflation on day one of my administration."
Trump 2024 - "I will end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours"

 

[XtremeXccessories]

so...lets see if I have this right:
Dems in 2024: "Tesla is awesome and great for the environment"
Dems in 2025: "Elon is stealing our data, lets burn his dealerships".

(elon has always had capabilities of taking someone's data).

yet, maga is programmed?

Most dems stopped liking Muskrat years before 2024. I've never really been a fan, but I realized he was a total douchecanoe in 2018 when he called that hero diver in Thailand a pedo because he didn't like Elon's baby submarine idea.
Musk doesn't have the capability to do squat diddly. All he has ever done is hire people smarter than him and then take credit for everything they do. When he does get involved you get a steaming pile like the Wankpanzer.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Most dems stopped liking Muskrat years before 2024. I've never really been a fan, but I realized he was a total douchecanoe in 2018 when he called that hero diver in Thailand a pedo because he didn't like Elon's baby submarine idea.
Musk doesn't have the capability to do squat diddly. All he has ever done is hire people smarter than him and then take credit for everything they do. When he does get involved you get a steaming pile like the Wankpanzer.

those astronauts that have been stranded in space for several months (originally an 8 day mission) are now on their way home, thanks to Musk and spaceX.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Whataboutism at its finest.
Trump 2024 - "I will end inflation on day one of my administration."
Trump 2024 - "I will end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours"

so it took longer than he claimed......that's not "whataboutism". he's doing what he said he would do. He has a mandate from the american people to do that.

 

[XtremeXccessories]

those astronauts that have been stranded in space for several months (originally an 8 day mission) are now on their way home, thanks to Musk and spaceX.

They knew there was a chance they would be there longer than 8 days, it was experimental space craft. That's what they signed up for.

Again, Muskrat had nothing to do with getting them home besides hiring smarter people. He's just taking credit for thousands of people's hard work, again.

 

[Geneva Olson]

They knew there was a chance they would be there longer than 8 days, it was experimental space craft. That's what they signed up for.

Again, Muskrat had nothing to do with getting them home besides hiring smarter people. He's just taking credit for thousands of people's hard work, again

oh ok...so if your business hits an all time monthly high, then it's your workers that can take the credit...even though you did all the sales? got it.

 

[ikarasu]

...only 28% of the population is protesting....according to msnbc recent polls, the dem party is floundering terribly...https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-low-voters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161


what evidence do you have that says musk does crack?

Crackhead as a generic term... In other words he's looney / crazy.

I stopped liking him long ago... Like when those kids were stuck in a cave and he offered to make submarines, and the person leading the rescue effort said thanks but they wouldn't work because they're too bulky... And musk called him a pedophile because of it.

Rich people are used to getting their way, I get that... But most rich people have a filter... Musk does not. He goes into tantrums and says the craziest, crackhead (again, just a term) stuff without thinking..

He's been on a downhill trajectory for awhile, Tesla has only recently started being boycotted but it's stocks been going down for quite a bit... Everytime he does something like this it takes a dip then comes back up. I doubt Tesla is going anywhere.... But this won't be the last time he causes the company to lose millions.

 

[ikarasu]

those astronauts that have been stranded in space for several months (originally an 8 day mission) are now on their way home, thanks to Musk and spaceX.

Watch an interview with those astronauts. They didn't want to come home and turned the Biden administration down from sending a flight, it had nothing to do with politics or saving money.


Astronauts train their lives to go into space.... And most of the time it's for a few day or week mission and they don't get to go back, they were more than happy to stay and even said so themselves....

Now to make a political show out of it they're coming home 1 month or so early, wasting billions of dollars.... That's what you should be mad about.

Again... People need to not just take snippets of what they read and do research. There's so much misinformation out there... And it's always he said vs she said.... Personally I'm erroring on the side of the 2 people this effects, not a politician or billionaire.

 

[Stacey K]

By that logic, he's also had more bankrupt companies , defaulted on more payments than everyone in this forum combined.... So he's also the worst businessman than any of us. So what if the country goes the negative way instead of the positive?


Even so... Should the country be run like a business? It feels like it is, but it feels like he's trying to be the big Walmart that eats up and absorbs every other store in the neighborhood.... Something I thought most people were against. Decades of diplomacy and relationships seem to be getting thrown out the window.... I get make America grea again, but it shouldn't be make America great again at the expense of every other country...


See, the more I read people's opinions on here, the more it makes me realize, it's not that people are against what Trump's trying to do, to a certain degree... It's more how he's going about doing it. And I'll be blunt and say it, I know it'll get certain people riled up.... But I really feel like if Trump we're doing what he claims, and what you guys think he's doing, he's very shitty at it and doesn't know what hes doing, and while the sentiment of making America better again is there, and some of the stuff he has done is achieving that... This whole tarrifng the world thing has put you guys in a much worst situation then when you started.

A lot of Republicans, and very vocal trump upporters like Ben Shapiro even (yes, I watch some Shapiro, like I said..I don't disagree with everything) and fox news economy analysts are saying the same thing. A few economists are saying they feel like what's going on is going to make America go into a recession and they can't see the benefit for the country,but they believe Trump is playing 4d chess and just hasn't got to the point where it is better... Even though they don't see how.


A country isn't like a business, you shouldn't play games and take huge risks, it shouldn't be thrive or go bankrupt. Especially when you're willing to take other countries down with you.

Am I biased for being a Canadian? Sure.... I don't see any upside to tarrifs on Canada, for my country or for yours... Only downsides. And it bugs me that he throws out trade "deficits" as proof America is getting screwed, when it doesn't work that way... Then everyone parrots what he says.

Trump's more of a showman than a politician, he knows how to get people to believe he's accomplishing stuff and believe in made up excuses as to why he's accomplishing it....

I tried to stay non political / not bring up trump.l, and just focus on policies and why they're bad... But when the guy calls our prime minister (your equivlant to president) a governor, then freaks out when Trudeau made a personal plea and addressed him as Donald instead of president, constantly threatens to take over Canada and make it the 51st state, as well as do dumb shit like say the USMCA is the worst trade deal ever, who would have signed such a thing.. when it was him who did it and at the time said what a great deal it was for America, he just looks like a crazy man who wants attention when he shouldn't get any.

If you agree with tarrifs, making Canada the 51st state, invading Greenland and taking panama canal by force, that's one thing. But I feel like most Americans, not just democrats, but even Republicans don't.... But trump is so idolized that no one speaks up against it.

Here's a good read on his bankruptcies. Without doing a real deep dive into this, most of them are casino's/hotels during the recession in the 1990's. It's odd to me you think he's not a good businessman. He's a billionaire, you don't get rich from making more bad decisions than good decisions. When you dabble in real estate there's a lot of loopholes...I use them too. Our tax system has many gray areas in it, many loopholes, if you don't use them while staying within the law, you are a fool.

The Details About the 6 Donald Trump Corporate Bankruptcies

Find out which of Donald Trump's companies went bankrupt. See how many times Trump has sought bankruptcy protection for his ventures.

www.thoughtco.com

Yes, I do think the country should be run like a business. Anytime there is money involved things should be run like a business. A good example is DOGE. I just saw they found 20,000 software licenses for only 10,000 employees and none of them were used. In your own business each year you look at your expenses and you decide which are important. You cancel subscriptions, etc. These career politicians on both sides are mostly idiots. Most of them have been in politics their entire life, they've never held a private sector job. How can we expect them to handle a budget?

On a sidenote, some of the leases the government holds on buildings are insanely overpaid. Someone I know owns a US post office and a Social Security building, they had a VA Clinic. These types of buildings require a 30-year lease. I'm not getting into specifics with payments...but if you have the chance to buy one - DO IT. The government doesn't own any buildings, everything is leased from the private sector. So, if any of us were willing to donate or pull strings for someone in government, we could acquire a building and set the lease amount...that's what's happened. My friend doesn't have any government connections, they bought the buildings with leases in place. But...one can see how this could go corrupt very quickly. Those types of things need to be run like a business, because it IS business.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Watch an interview with those astronauts. They didn't want to come home and turned the Biden administration down from sending a flight, it had nothing to do with politics or saving money.


Astronauts train their lives to go into space.... And most of the time it's for a few day or week mission and they don't get to go back, they were more than happy to stay and even said so themselves....

Now to make a political show out of it they're coming home 1 month or so early, wasting billions of dollars.... That's what you should be mad about.

Again... People need to not just take snippets of what they read and do research. There's so much misinformation out there... And it's always he said vs she said.... Personally I'm erroring on the side of the 2 people this effects, not a politician or billionaire.

Do you have any interviews/articles backing up your claim? According to the articles I've read, they were stranded up there because of technical problems. They were able to continue to do some research up there, but they were definitely stranded. Everything I'm reading (and hearing) says they are happy to get to come home after 286 days. no snippits were taken.


Oh, and I love to show off pictures of my shop. We are located within walking distance of Johnson Space Center in Houston. I've grown up around astronauts my whole life. And I have tons of friends who work at NASA. Lots of Nasa contractors as customers...even a few astronauts.

 

[BigNate]

...only 28% of the population is protesting....according to msnbc recent polls, the dem party is floundering terribly...https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-low-voters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161


what evidence do you have that says musk does crack?

(I think your data actually speaks against your point.)

Only about 30% of the registered voters actually voted for the current administration (yes, 49.5% of cast votes -and the winning side but it was won without a majority) - and only about half of our population is registered to vote... well, at most 15% of US pop voted for trump.

"only 28% of the population is protesting" --- um, Doesn't that mean that almost twice as many people are protesting Trump and his team than what actually voted for him?

 

[Geneva Olson]

(I think your data actually speaks against your point.)

Only about 30% of the registered voters actually voted for the current administration (yes, 49.5% of cast votes -and the winning side but it was won without a majority) - and only about half of our population is registered to vote... well, at most 15% of US pop voted for trump.

"only 28% of the population is protesting" --- um, Doesn't that mean that almost twice as many people are protesting Trump and his team than what actually voted for him?

28% of the voters. there. I fixed it. Trump still won on a mandate.

 

[BigNate]

28% of the voters. there. I fixed it. Trump still won on a mandate.

but what is being said in the news seems to say 28% of pop, not reg voters.... but I did not conduct the polls and you did not post.