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[GAC05]

Trump is already a step ahead of you on this and said the exact same thing. Imagine that, you're agreeing with trump.

Last year, my son (Army) did a 9 month rotation in Lithuania. Before they moved, they were instructed to get off WhatsApp and switch to Signal to stay in contact with their families. I don't know if it was enforced (or how that would even be done), but we did not get any WhatsApp messages until he rotated back to Texas.

 

[ProSignTN]

Hey ProSignTN, you got any nude pics of your wife you could share? Ribbet

 

[mfatty500]

You better hop to it!

 

[Johnny Best]

“Bless your heart”

 

[Geneva Olson]

What became of it? Well, it personally made me not just not vote for her... But to vote against her, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So I'd say it had a pretty big cost to her.

A lot should have happened to a lot of things but dont ... Just because the politicians are corrupt and turn a blind eye, doesn't mean you should.


This isn't grade 2, two wrongs don't make a right. You defend someone if an injustice is happening to them, but you don't blindly defend them, especially when it's so obvious they're wrong.

If Biden was in charge and it was democratic people in charge and caused that leak... Would you feel the same way that it's no biggie? You should look at what happened, why it happened, and what the response was... I can honestly say it wouldn't matter to me whether it was Republican Democrat Green party or just some random independent guy, if you screw up, then deny and act like you did nothing wrong, then trying to deflect the blame on other people... I don't think you reached the bar to be having the highest security clearance.

And yes, that goes to Hillary, and anyone else that is willing to put sensitive information at risk like it's just a normal document or text chat

Sir, I didn't ask you how you personally responded to those events. I'm asking what happened prosecutorily. (which was the whole question regarding trump). You're right, 2 wrongs don't make a right. but saying that after the first guy got away with something scott free doesn't absolve them of their mistakes. Don't hold trump accountable for something you didn't hold previous presidents accountable for. that's the lawfare that people are talking about.

no, what happened on signal was no big deal because: the mission was a success and we didn't find out until after the fact and there's a probability that we didn't have to find out at all. there's also a probability that this has happened before and we didn't know about it.

 

[XtremeXccessories]

no, what happened on signal was no big deal because: the mission was a success and we didn't find out until after the fact and there's a probability that we didn't have to find out at all. there's also a probability that this has happened before and we didn't know about it.

This is such a ridiculous argument. Someone pounds 10 beers at the bar and drives home but doesn't get in a wreck, no big deal right? Someone fires off shots out their car window while driving but doesn't hit anybody, no big deal right? Wrong. The drunk driver didn't wreck THIS time. The person shooting off their gun didn't hit someone THIS time. The mission was a success THIS time. Now you're saying "oh it's probably happened before, no big deal"? When will it finally be a big deal to you?

There's Walmart near here. It's also close to a major 4 lane road. For years and years people didn't bother to walk the extra two blocks to the crosswalk at a stoplight because they were carrying groceries and stuff from Walmart, they just ran across this busy highway to get to the northbound bus stop. Well some lady tried to do that in the dark and got hit and killed last year. So the city put up a pedestrian crossing right where people run across to the bus stop, but it's too little too late for the person who is now dead. It was no big deal until it was.

This Signal leak is a big deal because it HAS to be, otherwise policies and procedures (or some of those people in those positions) won't change until something DOES go wrong. That and they broke the law by setting the messages to delete. Party of law and order and all that...

 

[Geneva Olson]

HILLARY COMMITTED TREASON AND IS STILL WALKING AROUND THE PLANET. Hillary paid a FINE for the STEELE DOSSIER to the FEC.
JOE BIDEN COMMITTED TREASON AND IS STILL WALKING AROUND THE PLANET. JOE had classified documents sitting next to his corvette FROM WHEN HE WAS A SENATOR.

I completely disagree with your argument. your scenario doesn't apply to this story.

Are you willing to acknowledge benghazi, abbygate and the steele dossier were never properly dealt with?
and i am sick and tired of the "whataboutism" bs. the MOMENT trump's cabinet made ANY SORT of ERROR, people were ready to pounce on it.

 

[Gino]

Between prosign's immature behavior and extreme's pathetic arguments, this thread is about done. Stick a fork in it and make sure.

 

[JBurton]

Alls I can say, they've done well to divide us beyond seeing eye to eye, often to the point of violence on one side or the other. Wholeheartedly as their goal, if I might add. A house divided cannot stand, nor can it do a goddamned thing about the price of my Eggs!
I say we keep this thread going until kids can reliably afford to egg houses again.

 

[Stacey K]

If I see one more naked lady photo on this thread I'm posting Mike dancing on Ellen.

 

[Gino]

If I see one more naked lady photo on this thread I'm posting Mike dancing on Ellen.

Well, at least we now know where prosigns gets his information and spends most of his time.

 

[XtremeXccessories]

HILLARY COMMITTED TREASON AND IS STILL WALKING AROUND THE PLANET. Hillary paid a FINE for the STEELE DOSSIER to the FEC.
JOE BIDEN COMMITTED TREASON AND IS STILL WALKING AROUND THE PLANET. JOE had classified documents sitting next to his corvette FROM WHEN HE WAS A SENATOR.

I completely disagree with your argument. your scenario doesn't apply to this story.

Are you willing to acknowledge benghazi, abbygate and the steele dossier were never properly dealt with?
and i am sick and tired of the "whataboutism" bs. the MOMENT trump's cabinet made ANY SORT of ERROR, people were ready to pounce on it.

Complains about "whataboutism" while making and entire post of WHATABOUTISMS. Again. Jesus.

I don't give a damn about Hillary, lock her up. Trump had four years to do just that and didn't do squat.
Biden had his lawyers audit his documents and alerted NARA as soon as they were found and gave them back within 24 hours, as did Mike Pence. Trump hid them and moved them around for almost a year while NARA was asking for them, all while keep them in a bathroom at his golf course that could be infiltrated by foreign powers for the price of membership.

Point me to the evidence of Biden committing treason and I'll point you to the Capital's shit stained walls from when MAGA tried to overthrow our government.

Between prosign's immature behavior and extreme's pathetic arguments, this thread is about done. Stick a fork in it and make sure.

Ooh, ouch. You really know how to cut someone to the quick.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Complains about "whataboutism" while making and entire post of WHATABOUTISMS. Again. Jesus. SO NO ONE HAS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU MADE A "WHATABOUTISM" ...jesus Fkng christ!

THAT IS LITERALLY THE EASIEST AND DUMBEST WAY TO GET OUT OF AN ARGUMENT.

you also probably dont want to talk about the millions of dollars in damage that was done to cities during the summer of 2020. you want to scream about the capitol building. Which was cleaned up and everyone moved back in the next day. Tell me, how long did it take to clean up the summer of love? More whataboutism that won't get answered.

 

[Gino]

Unlike the elections and/or your foolish arguments..... you mean nothing along with your pointless nonsense. I'm not here to gain points or in a popularity contest, but you're going on like you think what you say has some bearing on something. What makes you think by just saying things, it's automatically true ?? Actually, I don't think you think..... you just regurgitate what you read while drinking at night. Why don't you just get back to doing whatever it is for a living and curb your claptrap for another day when you're not drinking so much ??

 

[JBurton]

THAT IS LITERALLY THE EASIEST AND DUMBEST WAY TO GET OUT OF AN ARGUMENT.

Absolutely true.
Do avoid using said strategy in the future though, just like big J said, an eye for an eye, we both lose our sight.

you also probably dont want to talk about the millions of dollars in damage that was done to cities during the summer of 2020. you want to scream about the capitol building. Which was cleaned up and everyone moved back in the next day. Tell me, how long did it take to clean up the summer of love? More whataboutism that won't get answered.

In the meantime:

 

[Geneva Olson]

Absolutely true.
Do avoid using said strategy in the future though, just like big J said, an eye for an eye, we both lose our sight.


In the meantime:

So, Biden, Obama, the Clintons and the Bushes can do WHATEVER they want but if someone wants to apply the same rules used on trump to THEM, then it's a straw man argument?

Who's in the Cult again?

 

[JBurton]

So, Biden, Obama, the Clintons and the Bushes can do WHATEVER they want but if someone wants to apply the same rules used on trump to THEM, then it's a straw man argument?

Who's in the Cult again?

No no no, I mean, you can't talk sh*t about him deflecting by indicating your 'whataboutisms', then totally redirect with a different topic and expect to get treated like an adult. Not saying XXXtreme is in the right, but we can't help correct one another's arguments just to fall into another fallacy.

 

[ikarasu]

Sir, I didn't ask you how you personally responded to those events. I'm asking what happened prosecutorily. (which was the whole question regarding trump). You're right, 2 wrongs don't make a right. but saying that after the first guy got away with something scott free doesn't absolve them of their mistakes. Don't hold trump accountable for something you didn't hold previous presidents accountable for. that's the lawfare that people are talking about.

no, what happened on signal was no big deal because: the mission was a success and we didn't find out until after the fact and there's a probability that we didn't have to find out at all. there's also a probability that this has happened before and we didn't know about it.

I feel like the goal post keeps getting moved. You didn't mention nothing about proscetutoral.... You asked what became of it.... IMO, it lost her the election.

So yes, the government / prosecutors / whomever did squat all, but the people did something about it. That's all I'm saying should be done now... If the government won't hold people accountable.... The people should, instead of pass it off as if it's nothing.


The law is the law. Everyone should be held accountable, past or present - I'm tired of people getting away with shit they shouldn't, aren't you? Go after Hilary... I'm sure there's no time limit on it. If someone commited a crime.... Go after them. No one should get a pass... Past or present. Just because someone did in the past does not mean someone should now. Republicans hold the house and Congress and presidency, trump has all his own people's in every single department.... So go after Hilary. ... If Biden did something illegal, go after Biden.... Nothing's stoping him.


I still say what happened on signal was a huge deal, it's not whether something happened... But what could have happened. Would you say it's no big deal if it were Hilary or Biden or Obama's guys that did it? I bet not.... But no way to prove it, so I guess we can just agree to disagree on whether it's a big deal or not.

 

[ikarasu]

THAT IS LITERALLY THE EASIEST AND DUMBEST WAY TO GET OUT OF AN ARGUMENT.

you also probably dont want to talk about the millions of dollars in damage that was done to cities during the summer of 2020. you want to scream about the capitol building. Which was cleaned up and everyone moved back in the next day. Tell me, how long did it take to clean up the summer of love? More whataboutism that won't get answered.

Is the 2020 incident the Portland downtown one? Not too familiar with it.... I was pretty surprised more people didn't get arrested for the Portland incident... It was crazy seeing it on the news without much being done to squash it. Peaceful protesting is one thing, but what they did was just as bad as what happened at the Capitol.


Again I say though.... Doesnt matter if it was cleaned up quickly... Storming the capitol, and injuring police is pretty bad. I don't believe Trump invited them to do it, but I also don't think he should have pardoned them... Especially not the violent ones.


I don't know how much of it was covered in USA, or if you guys even heard about it... But did you hear about the 2011 Canucks loss that caused a riot? People were smashing windows, pushing cars over.... It got so bad cops couldn't do anything but let it run its course.

The next few weeks / months, they reviewed all the footage they could, put up every photo of criminals with a tip line... Everyone who broke the law even in a small way ended up with a record. I had a buddy who got caught up on it from work... He was caught helping roll a cop car down the street before some people pushed it over - he had to pay $10,000 fine, and spent the next 6 months worth of weekends in jail. I told him its what he gets for being a dumbass.

That's what I'm used to - for the most part if someone does something up here in ye old Canada, people face consequences.... Doesn't matter if they're right or left or in the mid. You do the crime, you do the time - and I'd never try to make the argument that the conservatives get away with it, so the liberals should too.... The argument I'd make is why are the conservatives getting away with it, and push for the liberals to also face consequences.... Because the law is the law, and all of these "minor" things lead up to much larger things.... And in reality, they arent minor. Just because nothing bad happened this time, doesn't mean it wouldn't next time.




Annnnd I'm too lazy to find and quote the other thread where you asked if people would condem Hilary's email scandal / or any of the other stuff - i know my opinion doesn't mean much on USA politics in here, but they investigated and found classified emails on her private server, didn't they? Yes... They should throw the book at her. If people continue to get away with handling classified information half assed, it's going to keep happening.

 

[Geneva Olson]

No no no, I mean, you can't talk sh*t about him deflecting by indicating your 'whataboutisms', then totally redirect with a different topic and expect to get treated like an adult. Not saying XXXtreme is in the right, but we can't help correct one another's arguments just to fall into another fallacy.

But...my argument is not "whataboutism"

And lets not forget: Benghazi was a mission - it failed
Abbygate was a mission - it failed
Houthi attack was a mission - it was a success.

--as far as hillary is concerned: she was complicit in benghazi. (i placed emphasis on the russian dossier to further prove that her treasonous actions that should be punishable by death, were not even acknowledged as a crime and swept under a rug). but it's easier for xxxtreme and others to scream "whataboutism" and intentionally NOT make a connection.

(my dots aren't that hard to connect).